The prohibition is not agreed upon, but since the custom has spread, one should avoid eating both meat and fish together.

 

ed note–no, ladies and Gentilemen, this is not a spoof from the Babylon Bee, the Onion or a skit from some Monty Python episode. The followers of Judah-ism do not eat fish and meat together because it causes leprosy and bad breath.

 

We point this out for several reasons which we will briefly list below–

 

It has been, is now, and always will be our position here at this humble little informational endeavor that Judah-ism as a ‘creed’ is a compendium of innumerable mental illnesses and derangements, and therefore those who adhere to this compendium of innumerable mental illnesses and derangements can only exist in the world today as mentally ill and deranged individuals.

 

 

To that end therefore, EVERYTHING THEY DO, EVERYTHING THEY TOUCH AND EVERYTHING OVER WHICH THEY MAINTAIN SOME DEGREE OF INFLUENCE is by default tainted with this derangement and which can only produce disastrous results for everyone else, and as events are proving on a daily basis, this is indeed the case, whether it is in the West where these mentally-ill and deranged individuals maintain a death-grip over the political, economic, and informational gears of modern society or in the Middle East that has been and remains to this day a cauldron of human misery, violence and injustice.

 

 

 

And remember as well, this ‘Fish+Meat=Leprosy’ thing is just ONE of thousands of other derangements that ‘animate’ the behavior of these folks, just a few others of which include–

 

1. Stoning to death someone who picks up sticks on the sabbath to start a fire and heat his home or cook his food…

and–

 

2. Cutting off the hand of a wife who accidentally/inadvertently touched her husband’s testicles as a result of her struggling to save his life while he was being violently attacked by a group of robbers.

 

 

 

Remember as well, that part of this ‘Judah-ism’ which teaches that eating meat and fish results in leprosy and which animates their thoughts and drives their behavior also has it that the deity they worship, ‘yah-way’–wants them to nuke the planet as a ‘burnt offering’ to him.

 

And, finalmente, we would be remiss if we did not point out that other highly-problematic ‘protocol’ associated with all of this that does not get the discussion it deserves and for which now millions–and soon, BILLIONS–of people will be paying the price.

 

 

 

This compendium of mental illnesses and derangements is NOT NEW. It has been sitting there as an open secret for thousands of years, and yet the ‘thinkers’ of society, and particularly in the ‘Christian’ West, never bothered to see the danger inherent in any of this.

 

 

To that end therefore, the Western world, where today the lion’s share of wealth and political/military power resides, has been turned into the civilizational equivalent of the Golem in Judaic lore, unable to think for itself when commanded by its master to go about the world and to slay others for Israel’s benefit.

 

 

Please note that it is none other than a rebbe who is officiating this discussion, and note how science, rationality and learning are all subjugated to the precepts of the Judah-ism itself, as well as the manner in which the followers of this cult creed–when forced to take sides with either the medical science (that says eating fish and meat does NOT result in leprosy) or to side with what it is that his/her Judah-ism says on the matter, that he/she is required to side with the latter, despite the fact that it flies in the face of empirical scientific truth and just plain old common sense.

 

 

Do we understand a little better then WHY it is that this particular group of semi-humanoid lifeforms believe they are ‘the Chosen’ and that the rest of us–the Gentiles or ‘Goyim’ as they derisively refer to us–are mere ‘donkeys’ in human form created to be such by ‘yah-way,’ the violent deity which they worship–in order to serve these ‘Chosen’, who believe with every ounce of their deranged being that eating fish and meat together causes leprosy?

 

 

 

Rabbi Eliezer Melamed for Israel National News

 

Q: Rabbi, I don’t understand why you wrote in ‘Peninei Halakha’ that according to halakha there is no prohibition to eat meat with fish, but only according to minhag (custom) aare meat and fish not eaten together. After all, it’s well-known that it is forbidden to eat meat with fish because of the danger involved, so how can the prohibition be cancelled? Indeed, you based your words on the opinion of medical doctors who believe that there is no danger in eating meat with fish, but since when do we rule halakha according to doctors?!

 

A: As is known, with every new halakhic ruling the question arises: Why have we ruled differently up until now?

 

Usually, the answer is that reality has changed. The more absolute the law is we come to change, the greater the burden of proof that reality has indeed changed. On the question of meat and fish, apparently there is no evidence that the reality has changed. The only claim is that medical wisdom today is more reliable, and therefore, can be relied upon more readily. However, it seems that this claim is not strong, because every generation is sure that the science in their day is the ‘last cry’, and time and time again, the scientists are proven false. Thus, just as we are confident in our medical knowledge today that it is developed and reliable, in the next generation, chances are the doctors of our times will be proven wrong in many things. If so, how can we rely on the doctors who claim today that there is no danger in eating meat and fish?

 

 

The Prohibition is a Dispute between the Amoraim and the Rishonim

 

In order to clarify my words in ‘Peninei Halakha (Kashrut 36: 4), I will present the issue from all sides.

 

In the Gemara (Pesachim 76b) it is explained that according to Mar Bar Rav Ashi, it is forbidden to eat fish roasted with meat in the same oven, because it causes bad breath and leprosy. On the other hand, according to Rava of Parzikiyya, it is permissible to eat them together.

 

In practice, some Rishonim wrote that one should take into consideration the strict opinion, and forbid eating fish with meat, because it is dangerous (Rosh, Mordechai, Samak, O.C. Ha’Aruch).

 

However, on the other hand, the majority of Rishonim did not mention that it is forbidden to eat fish with meat. Not only that, but Rambam wrote explicitly  in Hilchot Ma’achalot Assurot 9:23, that

 

‘Fish roasted with the meat – it is forbidden to eat them with milk’, and therefore, we see it is permissible to eat fish roasted with meat. The Poskim explained that from his studies and experience as a doctor, Rambam concluded that there is no danger in this, and consequently, there is no prohibition to eat fish and meat together (Responsa Hatam Sofer, YD 101)…’

 

Thus, we see that the law of eating meat with fish is a dispute between the Amoraim and the Rishonim.

 

 

The Vast Majority of Achronim Were Machmir Because of the Fear of Danger

 

Since it is a matter of dispute, and according to the strict opinion, that eating meat with fish is liable to cause leprosy, the vast majority of Achronim took into consideration the fear of danger of eating meat with fish, and thus forbade it. Thus, it was codified in the Shulchan Aruch (YD 116: 2): ‘One needs to be careful not to eat meat and fish together because it is hard for [i.e. causes and/or exacerbates] leprosy.’

 

Nevertheless, one of the eminent Poskim of the Achronim, Rabbi Avraham Abele HaLevi Gombiner, author of the commentary ‘Magen Avraham’ (OC, 173:1), wrote that it is possible that at this time, ‘there is no such danger’, similar to what we have found in several things that were considered dangerous due to ruach ra’ah (evil spirits), but now ‘it is not harmful because nature has changed; also, everything goes according to the nature of the lands’, and relied on Rambam’s words, who did not forbid this.

 

Although, as mentioned, the vast majority of Achronim considered the danger of doing so. And even though the doctors of their time did not warn against eating meat and fish, on the other hand, they also could not guarantee that there was no danger in eating them, since the doctors’ opinion was based on assessments, tradition, and personal experience.

 

Therefore, the attitude towards the doctors’ position was that it should be taken into consideration, but not accepted with certainty, and consequently, they could not rely upon them and cancel the possibility of the danger of eating fish and meat.

 

 

The Change in the Status of Science in Recent Generations

 

However, today medical science, like other sciences, is based on systematic studies that are tested in different parts of the world, while exchanging information between all research and medical centers, and therefore medical positions are considered more founded. And perhaps also as the ‘Magen Avraham’ wrote, nature has changed, i.e., that in the past there were certain bacteria in meat and fish that when mixed together caused diseases, but today, since they are non- existent, the prohibition is cancelled.

 

In any case, since today it is agreed upon by all doctors that there is no danger in eating fish with meat and in the Gemara this issue is also disputed, and even the Rishonim disagreed on this – many of them led by Rambam, were of the opinion that it is permissible to eat fish with meat – it is impossible to say that today, there is a halachic prohibition to eat meat with fish.

 

 

The Diverge between Halakha and Medicine

 

It should not be argued that this is a violation of the Sages’ prohibition, because the Sages did not say for halachic reasons that one should avoid eating meat with fish, but only because there were doctors who said that it was dangerous. Since a person is commanded to take care of his health, the strict Poskim instructed others to heed the doctors’ advice, until over time, all communities took on this custom. For as long as the doctors could not say with certainty there was no danger in eating meat with fish, the strict Poskim remained of the opinion to prohibit this practice. But today, when all doctors believe there is no danger in this, there is no prohibition. ‘The mouth that forbade was the mouth that permitted’ – the doctors prohibited, and they are the ones who permitted.

 

Indeed, the Hatam Sofer raised the possibility that this prohibition is considered as something established by the majority, which cannot be revoked. And there are those Poskim who believe that the prohibition should be observed, lest it possessed additional reasons that were not mentioned (see, Da’at Kohen, Section 55). However, since according to the majority of Poskim the prohibition is due to danger only, when it becomes clear there is no danger – the prohibition is annulled.

 

And just as the prohibition to drink exposed water in a place where there are no snakes was annulled (SA,YD, 116:1), all the more so in this case, when there are Amoraim and Rishonim who believed there is no danger at all in eating meat with fish. Therefore, the halakha goes according to Rambam and the Poskim who agree with him, that there is no prohibition to eat fish with meat.

 

In such a situation, it seems to me that it is impossible to write that ‘it is forbidden to eat meat with fish because there is danger in doing so’, and if I wrote that way, I would be guilty of writing something that is not true.

 

 

Nevertheless, the Custom is to Avoid Eating Meat and Fish Together

 

On the other hand, however, it cannot be written that since there is no danger in eating meat with fish, they may be eaten together, since for many generations, Jews have been accustomed not to eat meat and fish together – the separation between them became one of the signs of the Jewish kitchen, and its etiquettes. Therefore, I wrote that, indeed, there is no halachic prohibition to eat meat with fish, but from the point of view of minhag (custom), we are customary to make sure not to cook meat with fish, and not to serve meat and fish on the same plate.

 

When one wishes to eat a portion of fish and a portion of meat, we prepare a separate fork, knife, and plate for each portion, and when necessary, wipe them with a napkin or bread before eating the other kind, or clean the fork and knife with one’s mouth, so that the remains of one kind does not mix with the other. And if a bit of sauce of one kind remained on one’s fingers, we wash them, or wipe them with a napkin. Also, one should drink something between eating (SA and Rama, 116:3; Pri Toar 4).

One thought on “Kristol Clear Judah-ism–Eating meat together with fish prohibited due to danger of contracting leprosy”
  1. This is great example of one of the techniques they use for manipulation. The use of quoted sources with back and forth arguments in an excessively long piece confuses and confounds the reader whilst sounding authoritative. In reality it’s an overload of nonsense information and a rambling mess. Most people will agree for fear of looking simple when faced with this, instead of cutting through to the core of the argument, which typically is absolute rubbish.

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