“If Jesus was alive today he would be living in Nabulus, he would be shot at regularly and by now would most probably have spent time in prison and under some form of torture. His house would have been bulldozed down and he would have lost at least two siblings who would have either died in prison or been shot at or bombed to death. It really would not matter if he came into this world as a Samaritan, a Christian or a Muslim.
He would still be regarded as an illegal occupier of his own land. And if by now he was still alive, he would have fled to Egypt or Syria for safety, or his time for this world would almost be up. Pick your poison. Israel has so many to choose from.
There is no difference between what is going on in the West Bank today and what happened 2,000 years ago. It is the same story. Except this time the Jews have got support from the “Christian Block,” who are blind, deaf and dumb sheep following the myth of a Davidic Messiah who will come and rule the world.
The Jews have got away with this through a 2,000 year old lie and they really do not care what Christians think or believe, so long as they can keep them thinking that Jesus was the King of the Jews and Genesis 2 is valid.”
Did this particular Jesus have a mother and what is the lineage of her? What exactly is the “God” that seeded her? Where is it? What is it made of? What is its origin?
Did this creator create a man and woman; two first human beings? If the creator did do this, where did the two live and roughly, how long ago was that?
When was this particular Jesus born? Was it Spring time or Winter, or no time in particular?
It is so horrific, why do we have to see each other as atm machine? only money matters but not that we are all human beings on earth’
WHAT A SAD REALITY ON EARTH!! THIS MUST END!!
Imhotep, the central idea of this article is that someone who (1) was a native of Palestine and (2) rejected the fundamental tenets of Judaism, i.e., someone like Jesus, would be treated by the judeozionists of today the same way they treat Palestinians.
Fair statement? Yes? Good. Is there anything in it you dispute, like the CONTINUUM of of Judaic ideology from Jesus’ time until today?No. Good. Your views on the plausibility of the scriptural description of Jesus’ descendancy are interesting but, frankly, irrelevant in this context.
Yes, and I am asking who is “that someone”. If you can’t answer those questions, then just say so. No need to dance and get defensive, and stand mute. Many religious people get very emotional and that is part of the problem with the so called ‘Holy Land’.
I believe it is written in your New Testament versions, that this particular Jesus did say to “love your enemies”.
I see that being as not too wise, as well as not being followed by those claiming to follow this Jesus.
My fault? No, of course not.
Jesus came when the Jews were at their weakest, as they were occupied and garrisoned by the Roman Empire (a fact that I believe was NOT a coincidence).
If you read the New Testament, his SOLE PURPOSE was to end Judaism, and the Judaic mindset, plain and simple.
Oh, and for those ‘christians’ that say “Jesus was a Jew, Jesus was a Jew, Jesus was a Jew”, are denying his Divinity.
This article mentions a “Davidic Messiah”. That is what drew my attention. We all know of the others terrible scenes and conditions that have been happening.
It is why I had asked of the lineage of his mother, what exactly seeded his mother, where does this ‘it’ reside, what is ‘it’ made of, and what is ‘its’ origin? ( “it” being the one getting his mother pregnant). I have not seen any writings or another type of religion from history that states anything differently. So, I would like to see the sources of this.
And I had asked if this creator that seeded his mother, also created the first two human beings.
What I am seeing in this article and you is that, there was a creator being that seeded a human women, and the child was gifted somehow. In the NT it states that he was killed. In the Quran it states that he did not die as is mentioned in a New Testament. So I’m asking for some clarifications.
I wouldn’t believe it is that difficult to answer if it’s common knowledge in certain religious groups that I am not familiar with.
Jesus was a noodge – Jews have an aversion to noodges A noodge is worse than an annoying kibitzer. Even when the kibitzing noodge isn’t talking… one can still hear his nose whistling.
Imhotep, I am not going to ask you any personal questions (I abide by “Don’t do unto others”) so I won’t ask how old you are. I will, however, venture to guess that you are very young.
From what I recall, youth is often associated with a passionate iconoclasm at all costs and a fervor that can turn even skepticism into a fanatical credo. I find youth and its exhaltations very fetching, which is why I enjoy your comments (unless they are excessively repetitive).
I’ll leave you with a question:
There was bunch of ancient mathematicians in the Hellenistic world about whose lives little is known and even less verifiable. They elaborated theorems that are… well, TRUTH amd I would also say BEAUTY.
You reject Jesus. Fine, feel free. Think of Jesus then as one of those mathematicians. Would you approach people who quote the ancient mathematicians, tugging at their sleeves, and insisting that the biographies of those they refer to are doubtful perhaps even apocryphal?
The teachings of Jesus are in moral terms what the ancients’ mathematical findings are in abstract intellectual terms. Charming as your zeal is, I don’t quite see you as sufficiently prepared to critique them. I mean it in the nicest way.
I had said many times on TUT that I do not believe literally the words of the books, whether it be Judaica, Islam, or Christianity. And I have also said that I do believe there are certain points in those books that stem from knowledge of prior cultures and civilizations that existed prior to these 3 Abrahamic faiths.
Alongside my last sentence above, I do believe that there has existed special persons on this planet that could demonstrate certain ‘miraculous’ abilities. Your stance and approach towards me is incorrect. You get wrapped in this emotional conflict that exhibits the ‘you’re either with us or against us’, which is typical in religions, especially the apocalyptic systems. There are hundreds of millions of people on this planet currently that have no idea what a Jesus is, or what and where Jerusalem is, or a Jew. or even where Israel or Mecca is. Believe it. I know.
Your comments are along the lines of what I used to see from the followers of Alex Jones comment sections. When one asks a question as to try to acquire certain facts, one goes into low level thought, snide remarks (again, typical of followers of the Jesus is Love crowd), and says a lot of words but never answering direct questions with direct answers. You are actually no different than the ‘jew’ in that regard. You do everything you can imagine to avoid, scapegoat, and blame the others. That’s a fact demonstrated in your responses with your own words.
I trust this site less and less by the day.
There was a comment made here by Mark Glenn about 3 weeks ago where he stated more or less that Jeff Rense is a shill. I agree. However, the ‘jew’ Gilad Atzmon was just recently on the Jeff Rense show. So how does that add up? Same thing for Christopher Bollyn. Is he not a shill and was married to an Israeli (Helji Haskel) . His first wife was also Israeli and she worked in Isreali intelligence, YET here on TUT we have a link provided to this Bollyn’s website. Why is that?
See, I like to know some truths and if that involves asking questions that others find unbearable, so be it. Not my problem. Never will be my problem.
Konrad left after TUT had a some need to remove his article. Konrad never got an answer for that even though Konrad had asked. Yet YOU talk about others in the way you do?? This site is yet another in a very long list of a lot of talk and doesn’t know their mouths from their pious, bigoted asses. In other words enlightened one; you talk a lot of shit and its funny actually. Sad, but funny.
I trust nobody until they damn well have shown that they can be trusted. Same thing for this site and you just proved that I was correct. Thank you for showing me that.
ed note, MG–
1. I have never put a link to anything involving Bollyn. If any links exist, they were posted in the comments section which I do not monitor closely, unless someone calls something to my attention.
2. Rense is a shill but Gilad is a free agent and if chooses to sully his otherwise good name/message by associating with Mr. Hairdo, that is his business. One of my closest friends, Hesham Tillawi, does the same, much to my bewilderment, but again, he is his own man and is free to make his own decisions, even if they are bad ones.
3. As regards ‘Konrad’, he posted a picture of a dog defecating on Netanyahu’s face, and I decided to remove it because of its tasteless nature. He asked why and I told him–politely and respectfully–that I thought it was beneath the level of discourse we are trying to achieve here. His response was as follows–
‘First, you should post guidelines regarding what you think is acceptable blog content. Second, you should not arbitrarily delete a person’s items without mentioning anything to the person, and then devise some chicken-shit excuse when you are asked to explain yourself. I brought color and value to that blog. My post on Rita Katz got 4,000 views. And yet you pull this shit. My opinion of you is too low for words. Thank goodness I never sent you any money. Further emails from you will be deleted without being read.’
I tried repeatedly to calm him down and reason with him, but to no avail, despite the fact that for many months he had carte blanche to do whatever he wanted on the site as an editor. He obviously has personal problems that are beyond my ability/desire in dealing with, as I have more important things to do.
So, imhotep, If you feel that further involvement here is a waste of your time, there’s the door, beyond which you can join other illustrious characters such as ‘Konrad’, the White Nationalists, the ‘Sandy Hook Hoax’ crowd, and a whole host of others who get their underwear in a knot over trivial matters. I don’t know what the issue here is, but whatever it is, I am sure that there is a way through it if reasonable, thinking people are involved.
But, if not, then as the old saying operates, ‘sad to see ya go, but if it has to be, so be it’.
It is good to hear form you that you do not believe in Bollyn It is a truth that many that are in this post 9/11 times, say a lot of truth but it all has to be questioned by everybody. Some people live a life where they trust people initially but can get screwed later. I do the opposite. I don’t trust but if it has experienced that such and such can be trusted, then I do begin in that direction.
Again, “bewildered”. And true, we have not much control over what others do and say.
The issue here is that I do have an interest in this take on this particular Jesus. In the past, I have seen articles here in regards to a Jesus, but not one that is of the typical Judeo-Christian belief system such as from Adam, eventually to a David….and then to the mother (Mary / Meriam).
So having seen from time to time here, I then asked for some explanations or clarifications. For example, is their a book, or is it a type of religious teaching that I am not aware of? And perhaps, at what point(s) did the variations take place.
I am familiar with Christians believing that he was crucified, then rose on the 3rd day. And that Muslim belief is that he was not killed but escaped. The ‘jews’ have an assortment of beliefs / explanations regarding the subject.
Along with this, from my own point of view. I know there is a lot of what has been termed as ‘esoteric’ subject matter in this as well. Over the centuries, much of the esoteric knowledge has been lost, propagandized into a negative, and even suppressed by political / religious entities. Such people were ran out of their countries, threatened with death, and even killed. Over the centuries many had to move this knowledge ‘underground’ so to speak, and then that of course even fueled more propaganda.
And I do believe that thru Earth’s history, there have been remarkable people that did have special gifts and could perhaps alchemically change or at the very least, reach a higher consciousness thru ascension. Most of this ascensions has to do with the Vedic tradition and their teaching of the Universe, and it also involves awakening the serpent known as the Kundalini.
And I had asked for a date of his birth on whether it was in Spring (associated with the Zodiac and the solstices and equinox. In this case it would be Spring time in Airies which is historically sacred to ‘jew’ and Christians, as well as people in Japan, Tibet, China..everywhere actually as Spring celebrates Life / rebirth / renewal. Or, whether the birth was in Winter which would be along the lines of the Christian system that Jesus was born on 12/24.
I ask questions. I believe more people should. use those words why / how / can / could / where / when / which and do.
So you believe in alchemy, Imhotep. Cute. You’d accept Jesus’ teaching if you could be assured that He was born in springtime and then maybe He rose through alchemy?… Got it.
Listen, your questions are not “unbearable”– they are irrelevant to the discussion of this article and a lot worse when harped upon over and over: boring!
Your hectoring is actually reminiscent of the Jewish litmus test: “Do you deny the Holocaust?””
Here is a site you might like a lot more than TUT: http://www.alchemywebsite.com/
@ tonyfromindiana
Dunning Kruger effect in effect to infinity squared! Surely, you’re not suggesting that the Late and Lamented Jay Cee was not a “Jew” are you? As far as ‘…Jesus came when the Jews were at their weakest, as they were occupied and garrisoned by the Roman Empire…” Would not this cultist bunch have been at their weakest say… when the Israelite kingdom got its ass kicked by the Assyrians circa the 9th century, leaving the “Kingdom of Judea” hardly more than a sheep station. Or another weak moment when the temple was destroyed by the Babylonians and the Elites taken into captivity, the Judahite tilers of the soil and small time shepherds being left behind on the Levant It was the street wise Galilean but rather devout Jew who took issue with the Elitist Jews that Cyrus, the Persian was clever enough to’invite” to return to Palestine, even to the point of helping the money grubbing bastards to build their temple.Prior to the “exile” in Babylon it was the Temple and the Levites to whom the Chosenites looked for guidance. In the “captivity” it was the power hungry rabbis who came to be their guides. It is where the disgusting Tracts of the Talmud and its hypocrisy arose. It is against these practices that the the Late and Lamented Jay Cee and his brother James preached.
Are you suggesting the The Late and Lamented Galilean founded “Christianity”.. Nah!It was Paul of Tarsus. the TV Evangelist of his time. and a real money grubber. Unlike,Peter and James back in Jerusalem, who were preaching to the poor. Big Pauly was preaching “eternal life to the rich” (for a price) and what’s more the male converts DIDN’T HAVE TO UNDERGO PENIS MUTILATION, WHICH PETER AND JAMES WERE STILL INSISTING UPON. Tony, you have got to read a little deeper into the NT. It’s all right there in Galatians.
Alchemy should be understood as it does relate to religion as well.
No, I would any messianic teaching based on whether he / she was born in Spring or Winter. Most religions, and even those prior to 2000 years ago, spoke of a messianic character born on December 24/25. But in the ‘jew’ way of thinking, it is Spring time and many of their religious holy days and festivals surround this time of year. It represent Life and Winter represents a death. This is all pre Abrahamic religions and it evidenced all over the World.
I don’t believe you understand how alchemy is attached to the concept of ‘going to heaven’, turning ‘water into wine’, the statue with the feet of clay and the head of gold, etc.
The white Europeans did not ‘invent’ al Kemy. The Europeans went to KMT to learn and then took much of the knowledge with them to Europe. Athens is from Aten, and so on. Many Europeans incorrectly focused on the concept of lead literally turning to gold. But that is not the process actually.
For example, if this Jesus or anybody dies, it is said that the spirit des not die and leaves the human, material body. I think we could agree on this point. Then the spirit ascends to another ‘reality’ which has been termed as heaven, another dimension is what some people call it, etc. This is a common theme among most religions of the World and it predates any Islam, Christianity, judism, etc.
Another example is the story of an archangel visiting this Jesus and a John the Baptist. This archangel did not pull up in a van, jump out, and say, “Hey lady, I have a massage from God and it’s time for you to have a baby!”.
No, it would have had to materialize from somewhere, and then later go off to whatever. What is this ‘materializing’ process? That is at the root of al Kemy; being able to change / mutate from one form of energy to the next. I think you are basically ignorant on that subject and really do not learned as you hope to come across. Therefore, I have no interest in the link you have provided.
But again, this article made some claims and I would like to hear them evidenced. If one wants to “preach it”, by all means…Preach It..Don’t stop half way or otherwise you may hear the roster crow 3 times. You seem to be ‘preaching it’, yet also denying it simultaneously. Don’t do as Peter did when he denied Jesus 3 times. Do you not know Jesus?? Preach it baby!!
Since you, do not understand the Ka, the Ba, and even the Ra..that is why the ‘jew’ ( especially of the rabbinical persuasions) will continue to run circle around you and enslave you, your family, and your life here and later.
“They” know it. They know it intimately, inside, out and sideways. You will continue to be a reactive construct. The ‘jew’ does something and you write or talk about it. They do something else again, you write and talk about it again. And so it goes year after year, decade after decade, century after century. Do you feel that you are making progress?
In another comment section here on TUT, you brushed off Freemasonry, yet Adolf Hitler had much to say about Freemasonry and the ‘jew’ connection. There are internet videos of him speaking about it. I had told you that the ‘soaring Gothic cathedrals’ that inspire and move you, many have masonic architecture, imagery, sculptures, paintings, and have astrological alignments. If you don’t know these very elementary fundamentals of the World around us, do you really have the qualifications in telling what others should or should not believe?
I have no desire to tell anyone what to believe, imhotep. You are sorely mistaken.
You seem to have misunderstood just about everything I was trying to tell you and, having very limited time on my hands, whose use I try to maximize, I have to bow out of this “stale and unprofitable” attempt of mine to communicate with you. Thanks for your time.