Hundreds demonstrate in Tel Aviv against sex trade and in memory of woman who worked in prostitution for 15 years
ed note–all can be rest assured that were it not for the bad press this story is bringing to ‘God’s chosen people’ and their great experiment in Jewish self-rule in the Middle East, the brothel would remain open. The last figure I saw was that there were as many as 400 brothels operating in Tel Aviv alone, most of them Gentile girls from various parts of the world.
And for those who would argue that those ‘Jews’ involved in all of this are not ‘real Jews’ because the Torah forbids such practice, please take note of the following passages from the Torah where such business got its start and how those who engaged in it were considered ‘holy’ men–
‘You are a beautiful woman, and when the Egyptians see you they will say, “That is his wife,” and they will kill me but leave you alive. Therefore please tell them you are my sister, so that they may treat me well because of you.” And when Pharaoh’s officials saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh, and she was taken into his palace as one of his wives. He treated Abram well for her sake, and Abram acquired sheep and cattle, male and female donkeys, male and female slaves, and camels. Genesis, Ch 12
As well as Abraham’s cousin, Lott, who gives his 2 virgin daughters away to a gang of sex freaks from Sodom–
‘And before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called out to Lott, saying “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” And Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you may abuse them as you wish, but don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.’ Genesis 19
Times of Israel
Tel Aviv District police on Sunday issued a closure order against a brothel in the city after a prostitute who worked at the site took her own life earlier this month.
Police said the order wasn’t due to the suicide at Rehov Hayarkon 98 but rather because local residents had complained that the brothel was disruptive and damaging their quality of life.
The building was shut down under a technicality enabling police to limit the use of a premises.
Police said it was the second time that a closure order was issued for the place, but the previous action had been annulled by the court.
Tel Aviv Police spokeswoman Chief Superintendent Hila Hamo stressed that the woman, identified only as J, didn’t kill herself inside the brothel but in an apartment building on the floor above.
She noted that the brothel’s operators can exercise their right to appeal against the closure within 30 days.
However, the operators could face charges of running a brothel and procuring prostitutes. Prostitution in legal in Israel, but running a brothel or sex trafficking is illegal.
On Sunday night, hundreds of people gathered in London Park in Tel Aviv opposite the brothel in memory of the woman and to protest against prostitution.
According to fellow sex workers J had worked for 15 years as a prostitute and had recently become depressed and started using drugs and alcohol heavily, the Hebrew-language Walla website reported.
Shortly after her body was discovered the brothel reopened its doors and continued business as usual.
According to the Task Force on Human Trafficking, there are 15,000 women working in the sex trade in Israel.
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Thank you for this post ! The Torah , Old Testament analysis, is so insightful, all must read and contemplate.
When the “Sacred Scripture”, is read, direct, and naked -without preening piousness of a Sunday School matron, or other assorted subjective religious types, one can see its full relevant horror, in practical terms.
Does anyone believe this is ‘divine?’. Is their anything ‘, spiritual in this ?
Would any of you, subject your daughters, or any person, to such a thing ?
The entire Judeo Christian system is founded in very stark terms about ,’ sex’, and , ‘original sin’.
Yet it surely is used as a device in the OT, and used to buy, sell, trade favors, with the mortal, and extra mortal.
Study this with the piety, and reverence taken out, and giu will see far.
As Christ said,’ Nothing is hidden that shall not be revealed’.
ad 1 “..Old Testament analysis, is so insightful, all must read and contemplate…”
not really. The Old Testament is very hard to analyse becasue:
“..To understand the Bible and what it teaches… one must understand Biblical TYPES .
Type = a true event, person or institution in the Old Testament which FORSHADOWS or prefigures something in the New Testament….
THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT ADAM, THE FIRST MAN, WAS A TYPE OF JESUS CHRIST
Jesus Christ was true God and true man. Adam was only a man, the first man. However, the Bible says that Adam was a type of the one who was to come, Jesus Christ…..
Adam plunged the world into sin; Christ came to redeem the world from Adam’s sin. Adam sinned by his disobedience at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; Christ redeemed the world by His obedience and sacrifice on the tree of the Cross.
That’s why the Bible says that Christ is the new or second or last Adam. He came to undo what Adam did. He became the head of the new and redeemed race of those who supernaturally live in Christ, whereas Adam, the first man, was the head of humanity which fell into sin……………..
There are many biblical types. Keep in mind that all of these events, persons and things were real events, persons and things which also prefigured something that would come later. Here are a few examples………..”
more info on the topic. http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Articles/the_bible_on_the_blessed_virgin_mary.pdf
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one has to also remember that there is nothing like Judeo-Christianity. There is a Christianity.
Christ made a New Covenant with people. All people. The Old Convenat became invalid.
The veil of the Temple in Jerusalem was torn, from top to bottom ,at the moment of Christ’s death as a SYMBOL that the Old Covenant ceased to exist. The new Covenent took place of it. Later, ( 70 AD) the temple itself , as predicted, was destroyed by the Romans.
Those ,according to Christianity ,who don’t accept Christ as the Redeemer, the Messiah
will not be able to be saved. ed note–at the risk of appearing to engage in shameless self-promotion/aggrandizement, I disagree.
1st and foremost, in laying the groundwork for what I am about to say, understand that I too am a ‘pre VII catholic of the old order’ and not given to ‘liberal’ ideas.
Having said that, nevertheless we have to be ratiolnal here–The Old Testament is a BOOK, nothing more. It did not fall out of the sky from heaven. There were none who witnessed a giant hand come out of the clouds, handing to people to read and understand.
Not only is it a book, it is a JEWISH book. It is their roadmap, their calculator, recipe book, etc. Everything that a person needs to know in understanding the Jewish mentality is found within the Old Testament.
Having said that, I was subjected to the same mumbo/jumbo about Adam being a ‘prefigurement’ of Jesus, and how ‘Abraham’ was a ‘prefigurement’ of Jesus, and Moses, and Jacob, and David, and Solomon, etc, etc, etc.
BS. Jesus was Jesus and the rest of them–criminals through and through–had nothing whatsoever in common with Him, which was why those who followed after Abraham, Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, etc, i.e. the JEWS, rejected and Killed Jesus and did everything they could to wipe out the seeds of the revolution He started.
There was no ‘Old’ Covenant. This was something dreamt up in the depraved mind of a deranged man who heard voices in his head telling him to murder his own son and then incinerate his body. The same delusions of grandeur that exist now got their start with the voices in this insane man’s head.
The OT was the worst curse ever to befall humanity. The spark for the inferno that is engulfing the world right now, all the way up to 11th hour nuclear Armageddon, are found within the pages of this book that–had the church had its mind about it–would have been put to the torch the moment that Jesus was crucified.
Prostitution became , another evil ,which became a sort of ‘accepted socially’ –and in many cases legally– NORM ( similarly to abortion or sodomy) in once -Christian societies.
Prostitution, pornography , sodomy,etc., kills the spirt of people ,who enage in it.
It reduces human being to the lowest , almost beastial creatures.
Yeap, many Jews actively engage in it, but what about gentiles??
Do they not?
ad 2 the answer to the ed. comments:
“…1st and foremost, in laying the groundwork for what I am about to
say, understand that I too am a ‘pre VII catholic of the old order’
and not given to ‘liberal’ ideas.
Having said that, nevertheless we have to be ratiolnal here–The Old
Testament is a BOOK, nothing more. It did not fall out of the sky from
heaven. There were none who witnessed a giant hand come out of the
clouds, handing to people to read and understand. ”
—–
A: ( well , this “book” ( O.T. ) is being quoted by Jesus Christ
HIMSELF AS the Word of God MANY, many ,many times in the Gospel as
well as by the apostles
in their letters).
“..Not only is it a book, it is a JEWISH book. It is their roadmap,
their calculator, recipe book, etc. Everything that a person needs to
know in understanding the Jewish mentality is found within the Old
Testament…”
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A: The Old Testament is regarded BY THE Catholic Church ( and I
don’t mean the V-2 sect by the real , TRUE , Holy and Apostolic
Catholic Church as the part of the Bible, book written by the people
under an influence of the Holy Spirit).
“..Having said that, I was subjected to the same mumbo/jumbo about
Adam being a ‘prefigurement’ of Jesus, and how ‘Abraham’ was a
‘prefigurement’ of Jesus, and Moses, and Jacob, and David, and
Solomon, etc, etc, etc.
BS. Jesus was Jesus and the rest of them–criminals through and
through–had nothing whatsoever in common with Him, which was why those
who followed after Abraham, Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, etc, i.e.
the JEWS, rejected and Killed Jesus and did everything they could to
wipe out the seeds of the revolution He started…”
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A:
( well , so according to you, the Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church
MADE people believe that the O.T. is/was just a criminal book , and
all the studies of the O.T. done by MANY Catholic theologians,
priests, popes, saints, philosophers , etc., are just a ‘mumbo-jumbo
for the naive mob ?)
“..There was no ‘Old’ Covenant. This was something dreamt up in the
depraved mind of a deranged man who heard voices in his head telling
him to murder his own son and then incinerate his body. The same
delusions of grandeur that exist now got their start with the voices
in this insane man’s head…”
—–
A: you should read Kierkegaard’s book “Fear and Trembling” on the
topic. fascinating approach to that topic. BUT, read the book itself
, not the comments on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_and_Trembling.
“..The OT was the worst curse ever to befall humanity. The spark for
the inferno that is engulfing the world right now, all the way up to
11th hour nuclear Armageddon, are found within the pages of this book
that–had the church had its mind..”
——————
No, the O.T .is dealing with humankind entangled in SIn, Sin that
exists since the first man, Adam defied God’s order and in a way
cursed the whole humankind with the original sin. ( read B. Pascal’s
book “Pensees” on the topic). http://folk.uio.no/lukeb/books/theo/Pascal-Pensees.pdf
Christ came on Earth to free our poor, miserable souls from this
‘curse’ of the Original sin, which prevents the souls from enetering
Heaven.
The history written in The O.T. is the history of the so- called Old Israel,
the Old Coventant that God made with His ‘chosen’ people.
Christ made this Old Covenant invalid and made the New , Everlasting
Covenant with his People, the people of the Catholic Church, the New
Israel, His ‘chosen’ people. BUT , one has to remember and this is
VERY important ,that ‘ Choseness’ in God’s eyes mean SERVICE, means
sacrifice of one’s life to Him, means suffering, ( look at the lives
of apostles and Catholic saints and martyrs) .
It does NOT give special privileges but it gives special duties.
It is not about being proud ,but about being humble, humble before
God and doing His will and following His commandments.
Unfortunately , the majority of the Old Israel disobeyed God and
rejected His Son who came 2000 years ago.
Similarly , the New Israel i.e, the Catholic Church ,in its majority,
disobeyd God and rejects/disobeys the teaching of His Son.
Only the tiny Remnant of the Old Israel believed that Jesus was the Messiah,
only the tiny Remnant of the New Israel ( CC) still believes that
there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, and that the
V-2sect that eclipsed the Catholic Church IS the anti-Church, the
Counterfeit Church predicted in the Apocalypse of St John. ed note–once, in healing a blind man, Jesus spat on the ground, mixed it with dirt, made a paste out of it that was then put on the blind man’s eyes.
And mind you, this was not your everyday, ordinary ‘dirt’. Sheep, goats, cattle, camels, and other animals wandered about doing their business wherever they wanted, which, we can assume, was contained in the paste Jesus used.
So, are we to infer from this that the way to heal blind people is to mix spittle with fece-laced dirt?
Jesus did lots of things in order to ‘reach’ the people of His day. He knew He was dealing with a thoroughly-Judaicized society and there would be no success whatsoever in attacking the very foundations of their inherently maniacal Judiac society, which was why He spoke in coded language–
‘All those shepards who came before me were thieves and liars’–This would obviously include ‘shepards’ such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, etc.
‘Do not pour new wine into old wineskins’–An obvious description of co-mixing anything from the OT in with the New.
Notice as well, that within the Catholic lineup of saints that there is no ‘St. Abraham,’ ‘St’ Isaac’, ‘St’ Moses’, etc. NONE of the OT icons have been declared saints–why is this?
The OT is not just a book, but a Jewish one, peopled with criminals and criminality and there is nothing holy about it. The test of Judaism–from Genesis to the book of Malachi was proven for what it was on the afternoon of Crucifixion Friday, 33AD. That was ‘final exam’ day for the Judaic religion, and it obviously failed and it does not take a blind man to see it.
I agree with the ed. I despise deeply the criminal OT and their pupils the yids, by the way: the V-2 catholic sect too and more yet the kosher and cryptojewish modern popes.
Errors don’t depend so much on our intellect, as on our will ” .
Descartes
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“…ed note–once, in healing a blind man, Jesus spat on the ground,
mixed it with dirt, made a paste out of it that was then put on the
blind man’s eyes. And mind you, this was not your everyday, ordinary
‘dirt’. Sheep, goats, cattle, camels, and other animals wandered about
doing their business wherever they wanted, which, we can assume, was
contained in the paste Jesus used. So, are we to infer from this that
the way to heal blind people is to mix spittle with fece-laced dirt?”
—– —
A: those are the so -called Miracles ( something that can not be
explained in a rational way) and even they do not ( did not) convince
unbelievers. We don’t ‘heal the blind people”. We don’t have the
power to perform miracles ( although many saints and apostles did but
that requires an enormous, true faith and God’s grace).
————–
“…Jesus did lots of things in order to ‘reach’ the people of His
day. He knew He was dealing with a thoroughly-Judaicized society and
there would be no success whatsoever in attacking the very foundations
of their inherently maniacal Judiac society, which was why He spoke in
coded language…”
—
A: Jesus came into this world with one, major Mission, to save us from
the effects of the orginal sin. His purpose was to die for us, for
all, all sinners.
His preaching was only one aspect of His presence/Incarnation, His
main task was to sacrifice Himself at the altar so the gates of Heaven
would be open for human being , those who listen to his voice and
followed Him.
“….‘All those shepards who came before me were thieves and
liars’–This would obviously include ‘shepards’ such as Abraham, Isaac,
Jacob, Moses, David, etc.
‘Do not pour new wine into old wineskins’–An obvious description of
co-mixing anything from the OT in with the New….”
—–
A: you are correct. He did made a New Convenant with people. All
people,including Gentiles. That;s why he made the Old Covenant , the
so- called Mosiac Law invalid. But, mind you, at the beginnig of His
mission He mostly taught and performed miracles to the people of
Judea and Galilee i.e. Israelis., NOT Gentiles that where considered
pogans.
“…Notice as well, that within the Catholic lineup of saints that
there is no ‘St. Abraham,’ ‘St’ Isaac’, ‘St’ Moses’, etc. NONE of the
OT icons have been declared saints–why is this?..”
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A: well, in Litany of the Saints there is a call to : Omnes sancti
Patriarchae et Prophetae, ( All you holy Patriarchs and Prophets)
as well to : Holy Abraham, Holy Moses ,etc…
,PATRIARCHAE ET PROPHETAE PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS
[Sancte Abraham,
R. ora pro nobis.] [Holy Abraham,
R. pray for us.]
[Sancte Moyses,
R. ora pro nobis.] [Holy Moses,
R. pray for us.]
[Sancte Elia,
R. ora pro nobis.] [Holy Elijah,
R. pray for us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOBfXncaDbY http://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Sancti/LitSanctorum.html
The opening to the first Commandment starts with :
“…I am the LORD your God, who brought you OUT OF THE LAND OF Egypt
out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me…” http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm
“…..The OT is not just a book, but a Jewish one, peopled with criminals
and criminality and there is nothing holy about it. The test of
Judaism–from Genesis to the book of Malachi was proven for what it was
on the afternoon of Crucifixion Friday, 33AD. That was ‘final exam’
day for the Judaic religion, and it obviously failed and it does not
take a blind man to see it…………….”
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A: Yes ,they failed like many sentimental pagans ,who call nowadays
themselves Catholics fail to follow ‘their’ religion. Kierkegard
wrote 2 great books on the topic “Training in Christianity” and
“Attack upon Christedom”. http://www.amazon.com/Kierkegaards-Attack-Upon-Christendom-1854-1855/dp/0691019509
I recommend reading it. But especially there is one great , short
essay written by Kierkegaard ” On the difference between a genius and
an apostle..” excellent read. Another one is his “Present age” , but for different reasons.
I know he was a protestant but his books are amazings. Tough read but
well worth it.
Another very interesting book is “Life of Christ” by F. Sheen . https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/169017-life-of-christ
watch , please, also these short videos.
1. ‘..Was Jesus a Jew?
Not in the current sense, as this excellent video from Most Holy
Family Monastery spells out. Many weak-minded Evangelical types like
to say, “Jesus was a Jew!” Implying that today’s Jews are the lineal
descendents of the ancient Israelites and thus related to Jesus. But,
with the passage of millenia and the ever-shifting sands of language,
“Jew” today doesn’t mean what it once meant.
Today’s Jews: Liberal, Orthodox, Conservative, Ultra-conservative and
everything in between, are all enrolled in the same, Talmudic
“Synagogue of Satan” – a counterfeit scheme cooked up by the rabbis
some 2,000 years ago. ….” https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6A2HQNeO104#t=4 http://citizenfitz09.blogspot.com/2012/12/was-jesus-jew.html
2. “Abraham: Faith, Providence, Prefigurement’ . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdzTFECpKJA ed note–again, not to belabor the point, although certainly well-researched, nevertheless a lot of mystical mumbo/jumbo that has no practical application or effect on the present situation. It is precisely this kind of floaty, theoretical chatter that has given the Jews the leg up that they have acquired in the world today. When Christendom–in the beginning–should have sat down, studied/considered these people and what makes them tick, which would INEVITABLY bring the discussion around to the backwards, unenlightened ‘religion’ they practiced since the day Abraham started hearing voices in his head telling him to murder his own son, gong all the way forward to the murder of Jesus and His disciples, hence would have begun the diagnosis of Judaism–in all its forms and from alpha to omega, as a form of diabolical psychopathology that must be eradicated from the earth.
As St. Stephen said to his murderers prior being stoned to death ‘was there ever a prophet you did not persecute?’ This is very telling in and of itself, in that
Abraham was not ‘persecuted’
Isaac was not ‘persecuted’
Jacob was not ‘persecuted’
Moses was not ‘persecuted’
David was not ‘persecuted’
Solomon was not ‘persecuted’
etc, etc, etc…
and therefore, by extension, not ‘prophets’.
The Jews love their ‘godfathers’ today as much as they did during the time of Jesus. How many of them spoke up in his defense at his trial? none. Jesus brought something that was antithetical to what Abraham, Moses, David brought them and because of this they considered him a blasphemer and a ‘dreamer of dreams’ who deserved to be killed. It was their Judaism that turned them into ravenous wolves and what keeps them like this today.
Naive people do not see the OT with open mind and the use of a little logic. The real God of the Universe (as we have learned) does not send any one to kill, to destroy his own creation, to rape, to steal etc. The God of the OT was not God, but a monster.
ad 6 reg ed note
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‘…There is only ONE relation to the Revealed Truth: BELIEVING it.”
Soren Kierkegaard
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I will start with a bit heavier artillery then:)
What about Transfiguration??
“… After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the
brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There
he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his
clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before
them MOSES and ELIJAH , TALKING with JESUS …” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2017
What about temptations by Satan in the wildreness?
Jesus corrected Satan by QUOTING from the O.T.
” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'” ( there are
more quotes from the OT in mathhew 4: 4 http://biblehub.com/matthew/4-4.htm
Why He quoted the Old Testament if the OT was not authoritative?
“In fact on 92 occasions Jesus and His apostles supported their
postion by saying “it is written”( or the equivalent) and THEN quoting
the OT.
WHY? Because Jesus and His Apostles consideredd the OT to be the
written WORD OF GOD and thus the ultimate authorrity for life” *
2. In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said: ” I did not come to DESTROY
the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill”.
3.”Jesus affirmed 2 stories from the OT: Noah (Matt.24:37-38) and
Jonah (Matt.12:40). Jesus spoke of those stories as historically
true.” “Jesus also affirmed other aspects of the OT. He taught that
Daniel was a prophet (Matt.24:15) .
He quoted different sections of the book of Isaiah ( eg. Matt. 7:6-7,
Luke 4:17-19) .”
4. ” Jesus corrected the Pharisees and the teachers of the law by
claiming that they should be obeying the OT Scriptures instead of
their own mad-made traditions.
” HE said,” Why do you break the command of God for the sake of your
tradition?…You nullify the word of God for the sake of your
tradition” ( Matt.15:3,6).
He then blasted them for failing to live up to the Scriptures by
quoting from the OT: “You hypocrites! Isaiah was was right when
prophesied about you…(Matt.15:7-9)
Why would Jesus corrected the religious leaders of Israel with the OT
unless the OT had ultimate supremacy over their OWN IDEAS??”
5″ In this quote: “And so upon you will come all the righteous blood
that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the
blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the
temple and the altar. ..” (Matt.23:35) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23
Jesus covered EVERY book in the OT, first to last . Abel was killed
in the FIRST book of the OT, and Zechariah was killed in the LAST
(Chronicles) “.
The above quotes are from the book ” I don’t have enough faith to be
an atheist”. Very good book, worth reading. http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Have-Enough-Faith-Atheist/dp/1581345615 ed note–sadly, this discussion is winding its way down that infamous alley to nowheresville that inevitably takes place when a debate between common sense and faith go head to head.
‘By their fruits, you shall know them’–the fruits of the Jews–acting in accordance with the writings and examples of their prophets, forefathers, etc, have always been bad, the final nail being the events of Crucifixion Friday, 33.ad. The fact that Jesus may have quoted from the OT in making his case before the jury should not be used a ‘proof’ of His endorsement of what was in it. When I debate with Americans who suffer from an anemic understanding of the kinds of modern day political problems we are experiencing, I will use various parts of the US Constitution to make my point, even though I myself see it as a flawed document (at best) that has been responsible for creating/nurturing the monster residing in Washington DC right now.
At some point, if there is time, thinking people are going to have to choose between faith and fact. I myself am still a follower of Jesus Christ, even moreso now that I understand better the nature of the evil forces against Him then/now. People trying to reconcile the old with the new are doing exactly what JC Himself condemned–pouring new wine into old wineskins, and the disaster He Himself predicted would result from doing so is unfolding before the eyes of the world right now.
ad 8 ed-note:
I also see that the discussion goes nowhere. Even the fact that the
Authority of the Holy, Apostic Catholic Church confirmed and always
taught that the Bible , i.e the Word of God ,consists of the O.T .and
N.T. Period.
a quote from Kierkegaard.
“..What is the Unknown?? ( Kierkegaard called God in his ”
Philosophcial Fragments” the Absolute Paradox, the Uknown, the
Absolute Unlikness).
“It is the limit to which the Reason ( human Reason) repeatedly comes.
It is the Different, Absolutely Different. But because it is
Absolutely Different there is NO mark by which it could be
distinguished. The Reason cannot even conceive an Absolute
Unlikness…”. ” If God is absolutely unlike man, then man is
absolutely unlike God..” —
Ultimately , ALL comes down to faith. The true faith. Whether one has it
or not. Human mind cannot comprehend God. HE is on a completely
different level /plane than we, humans are.
BUT : “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to
this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will
OBEY you…” http://biblehub.com/luke/17-6.htm
Many saint knew that. That’s why Saint Patric. almost single-handedly
converted pagan , at this time , Ireland. and St Francis Xavier, an
aristocrat , instead of living in richess and fame, took the vows of
chastity and poverty and decided to convert human souls And he did an
amazing job with that. Thousands upon thousand. India, Japan, China.
He, literally “moved the mountains”.
The OT is Jewish and is full of crimes and blood. The new Testament is the word of Jesus. I despite the OT.
Thank you for this post ! The Torah , Old Testament analysis, is so insightful, all must read and contemplate.
When the “Sacred Scripture”, is read, direct, and naked -without preening piousness of a Sunday School matron, or other assorted subjective religious types, one can see its full relevant horror, in practical terms.
Does anyone believe this is ‘divine?’. Is their anything ‘, spiritual in this ?
Would any of you, subject your daughters, or any person, to such a thing ?
The entire Judeo Christian system is founded in very stark terms about ,’ sex’, and , ‘original sin’.
Yet it surely is used as a device in the OT, and used to buy, sell, trade favors, with the mortal, and extra mortal.
Study this with the piety, and reverence taken out, and giu will see far.
As Christ said,’ Nothing is hidden that shall not be revealed’.
ad 1 “..Old Testament analysis, is so insightful, all must read and contemplate…”
not really. The Old Testament is very hard to analyse becasue:
“..To understand the Bible and what it teaches… one must understand Biblical TYPES .
Type = a true event, person or institution in the Old Testament which FORSHADOWS or prefigures something in the New Testament….
THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT ADAM, THE FIRST MAN, WAS A TYPE OF JESUS CHRIST
Jesus Christ was true God and true man. Adam was only a man, the first man. However, the Bible says that Adam was a type of the one who was to come, Jesus Christ…..
Adam plunged the world into sin; Christ came to redeem the world from Adam’s sin. Adam sinned by his disobedience at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; Christ redeemed the world by His obedience and sacrifice on the tree of the Cross.
That’s why the Bible says that Christ is the new or second or last Adam. He came to undo what Adam did. He became the head of the new and redeemed race of those who supernaturally live in Christ, whereas Adam, the first man, was the head of humanity which fell into sin……………..
There are many biblical types. Keep in mind that all of these events, persons and things were real events, persons and things which also prefigured something that would come later. Here are a few examples………..”
more info on the topic.
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Articles/the_bible_on_the_blessed_virgin_mary.pdf
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one has to also remember that there is nothing like Judeo-Christianity. There is a Christianity.
Christ made a New Covenant with people. All people. The Old Convenat became invalid.
The veil of the Temple in Jerusalem was torn, from top to bottom ,at the moment of Christ’s death as a SYMBOL that the Old Covenant ceased to exist. The new Covenent took place of it. Later, ( 70 AD) the temple itself , as predicted, was destroyed by the Romans.
Those ,according to Christianity ,who don’t accept Christ as the Redeemer, the Messiah
will not be able to be saved.
ed note–at the risk of appearing to engage in shameless self-promotion/aggrandizement, I disagree.
1st and foremost, in laying the groundwork for what I am about to say, understand that I too am a ‘pre VII catholic of the old order’ and not given to ‘liberal’ ideas.
Having said that, nevertheless we have to be ratiolnal here–The Old Testament is a BOOK, nothing more. It did not fall out of the sky from heaven. There were none who witnessed a giant hand come out of the clouds, handing to people to read and understand.
Not only is it a book, it is a JEWISH book. It is their roadmap, their calculator, recipe book, etc. Everything that a person needs to know in understanding the Jewish mentality is found within the Old Testament.
Having said that, I was subjected to the same mumbo/jumbo about Adam being a ‘prefigurement’ of Jesus, and how ‘Abraham’ was a ‘prefigurement’ of Jesus, and Moses, and Jacob, and David, and Solomon, etc, etc, etc.
BS. Jesus was Jesus and the rest of them–criminals through and through–had nothing whatsoever in common with Him, which was why those who followed after Abraham, Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, etc, i.e. the JEWS, rejected and Killed Jesus and did everything they could to wipe out the seeds of the revolution He started.
There was no ‘Old’ Covenant. This was something dreamt up in the depraved mind of a deranged man who heard voices in his head telling him to murder his own son and then incinerate his body. The same delusions of grandeur that exist now got their start with the voices in this insane man’s head.
The OT was the worst curse ever to befall humanity. The spark for the inferno that is engulfing the world right now, all the way up to 11th hour nuclear Armageddon, are found within the pages of this book that–had the church had its mind about it–would have been put to the torch the moment that Jesus was crucified.
Prostitution became , another evil ,which became a sort of ‘accepted socially’ –and in many cases legally– NORM ( similarly to abortion or sodomy) in once -Christian societies.
Prostitution, pornography , sodomy,etc., kills the spirt of people ,who enage in it.
It reduces human being to the lowest , almost beastial creatures.
Yeap, many Jews actively engage in it, but what about gentiles??
Do they not?
ad 2 the answer to the ed. comments:
“…1st and foremost, in laying the groundwork for what I am about to
say, understand that I too am a ‘pre VII catholic of the old order’
and not given to ‘liberal’ ideas.
Having said that, nevertheless we have to be ratiolnal here–The Old
Testament is a BOOK, nothing more. It did not fall out of the sky from
heaven. There were none who witnessed a giant hand come out of the
clouds, handing to people to read and understand. ”
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A: ( well , this “book” ( O.T. ) is being quoted by Jesus Christ
HIMSELF AS the Word of God MANY, many ,many times in the Gospel as
well as by the apostles
in their letters).
“..Not only is it a book, it is a JEWISH book. It is their roadmap,
their calculator, recipe book, etc. Everything that a person needs to
know in understanding the Jewish mentality is found within the Old
Testament…”
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A: The Old Testament is regarded BY THE Catholic Church ( and I
don’t mean the V-2 sect by the real , TRUE , Holy and Apostolic
Catholic Church as the part of the Bible, book written by the people
under an influence of the Holy Spirit).
“..Having said that, I was subjected to the same mumbo/jumbo about
Adam being a ‘prefigurement’ of Jesus, and how ‘Abraham’ was a
‘prefigurement’ of Jesus, and Moses, and Jacob, and David, and
Solomon, etc, etc, etc.
BS. Jesus was Jesus and the rest of them–criminals through and
through–had nothing whatsoever in common with Him, which was why those
who followed after Abraham, Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, etc, i.e.
the JEWS, rejected and Killed Jesus and did everything they could to
wipe out the seeds of the revolution He started…”
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A:
( well , so according to you, the Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church
MADE people believe that the O.T. is/was just a criminal book , and
all the studies of the O.T. done by MANY Catholic theologians,
priests, popes, saints, philosophers , etc., are just a ‘mumbo-jumbo
for the naive mob ?)
“..There was no ‘Old’ Covenant. This was something dreamt up in the
depraved mind of a deranged man who heard voices in his head telling
him to murder his own son and then incinerate his body. The same
delusions of grandeur that exist now got their start with the voices
in this insane man’s head…”
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A: you should read Kierkegaard’s book “Fear and Trembling” on the
topic. fascinating approach to that topic. BUT, read the book itself
, not the comments on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_and_Trembling.
“..The OT was the worst curse ever to befall humanity. The spark for
the inferno that is engulfing the world right now, all the way up to
11th hour nuclear Armageddon, are found within the pages of this book
that–had the church had its mind..”
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No, the O.T .is dealing with humankind entangled in SIn, Sin that
exists since the first man, Adam defied God’s order and in a way
cursed the whole humankind with the original sin. ( read B. Pascal’s
book “Pensees” on the topic).
http://folk.uio.no/lukeb/books/theo/Pascal-Pensees.pdf
Christ came on Earth to free our poor, miserable souls from this
‘curse’ of the Original sin, which prevents the souls from enetering
Heaven.
The history written in The O.T. is the history of the so- called Old Israel,
the Old Coventant that God made with His ‘chosen’ people.
Christ made this Old Covenant invalid and made the New , Everlasting
Covenant with his People, the people of the Catholic Church, the New
Israel, His ‘chosen’ people. BUT , one has to remember and this is
VERY important ,that ‘ Choseness’ in God’s eyes mean SERVICE, means
sacrifice of one’s life to Him, means suffering, ( look at the lives
of apostles and Catholic saints and martyrs) .
It does NOT give special privileges but it gives special duties.
It is not about being proud ,but about being humble, humble before
God and doing His will and following His commandments.
Unfortunately , the majority of the Old Israel disobeyed God and
rejected His Son who came 2000 years ago.
Similarly , the New Israel i.e, the Catholic Church ,in its majority,
disobeyd God and rejects/disobeys the teaching of His Son.
Only the tiny Remnant of the Old Israel believed that Jesus was the Messiah,
only the tiny Remnant of the New Israel ( CC) still believes that
there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, and that the
V-2sect that eclipsed the Catholic Church IS the anti-Church, the
Counterfeit Church predicted in the Apocalypse of St John.
ed note–once, in healing a blind man, Jesus spat on the ground, mixed it with dirt, made a paste out of it that was then put on the blind man’s eyes.
And mind you, this was not your everyday, ordinary ‘dirt’. Sheep, goats, cattle, camels, and other animals wandered about doing their business wherever they wanted, which, we can assume, was contained in the paste Jesus used.
So, are we to infer from this that the way to heal blind people is to mix spittle with fece-laced dirt?
Jesus did lots of things in order to ‘reach’ the people of His day. He knew He was dealing with a thoroughly-Judaicized society and there would be no success whatsoever in attacking the very foundations of their inherently maniacal Judiac society, which was why He spoke in coded language–
‘All those shepards who came before me were thieves and liars’–This would obviously include ‘shepards’ such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, etc.
‘Do not pour new wine into old wineskins’–An obvious description of co-mixing anything from the OT in with the New.
Notice as well, that within the Catholic lineup of saints that there is no ‘St. Abraham,’ ‘St’ Isaac’, ‘St’ Moses’, etc. NONE of the OT icons have been declared saints–why is this?
The OT is not just a book, but a Jewish one, peopled with criminals and criminality and there is nothing holy about it. The test of Judaism–from Genesis to the book of Malachi was proven for what it was on the afternoon of Crucifixion Friday, 33AD. That was ‘final exam’ day for the Judaic religion, and it obviously failed and it does not take a blind man to see it.
I agree with the ed. I despise deeply the criminal OT and their pupils the yids, by the way: the V-2 catholic sect too and more yet the kosher and cryptojewish modern popes.
Errors don’t depend so much on our intellect, as on our will ” .
Descartes
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“…ed note–once, in healing a blind man, Jesus spat on the ground,
mixed it with dirt, made a paste out of it that was then put on the
blind man’s eyes. And mind you, this was not your everyday, ordinary
‘dirt’. Sheep, goats, cattle, camels, and other animals wandered about
doing their business wherever they wanted, which, we can assume, was
contained in the paste Jesus used. So, are we to infer from this that
the way to heal blind people is to mix spittle with fece-laced dirt?”
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A: those are the so -called Miracles ( something that can not be
explained in a rational way) and even they do not ( did not) convince
unbelievers. We don’t ‘heal the blind people”. We don’t have the
power to perform miracles ( although many saints and apostles did but
that requires an enormous, true faith and God’s grace).
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“…Jesus did lots of things in order to ‘reach’ the people of His
day. He knew He was dealing with a thoroughly-Judaicized society and
there would be no success whatsoever in attacking the very foundations
of their inherently maniacal Judiac society, which was why He spoke in
coded language…”
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A: Jesus came into this world with one, major Mission, to save us from
the effects of the orginal sin. His purpose was to die for us, for
all, all sinners.
His preaching was only one aspect of His presence/Incarnation, His
main task was to sacrifice Himself at the altar so the gates of Heaven
would be open for human being , those who listen to his voice and
followed Him.
“….‘All those shepards who came before me were thieves and
liars’–This would obviously include ‘shepards’ such as Abraham, Isaac,
Jacob, Moses, David, etc.
‘Do not pour new wine into old wineskins’–An obvious description of
co-mixing anything from the OT in with the New….”
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A: you are correct. He did made a New Convenant with people. All
people,including Gentiles. That;s why he made the Old Covenant , the
so- called Mosiac Law invalid. But, mind you, at the beginnig of His
mission He mostly taught and performed miracles to the people of
Judea and Galilee i.e. Israelis., NOT Gentiles that where considered
pogans.
“…Notice as well, that within the Catholic lineup of saints that
there is no ‘St. Abraham,’ ‘St’ Isaac’, ‘St’ Moses’, etc. NONE of the
OT icons have been declared saints–why is this?..”
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A: well, in Litany of the Saints there is a call to : Omnes sancti
Patriarchae et Prophetae, ( All you holy Patriarchs and Prophets)
as well to : Holy Abraham, Holy Moses ,etc…
,PATRIARCHAE ET PROPHETAE PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS
[Sancte Abraham,
R. ora pro nobis.] [Holy Abraham,
R. pray for us.]
[Sancte Moyses,
R. ora pro nobis.] [Holy Moses,
R. pray for us.]
[Sancte Elia,
R. ora pro nobis.] [Holy Elijah,
R. pray for us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOBfXncaDbY
http://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Sancti/LitSanctorum.html
The opening to the first Commandment starts with :
“…I am the LORD your God, who brought you OUT OF THE LAND OF Egypt
out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me…”
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm
“…..The OT is not just a book, but a Jewish one, peopled with criminals
and criminality and there is nothing holy about it. The test of
Judaism–from Genesis to the book of Malachi was proven for what it was
on the afternoon of Crucifixion Friday, 33AD. That was ‘final exam’
day for the Judaic religion, and it obviously failed and it does not
take a blind man to see it…………….”
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A: Yes ,they failed like many sentimental pagans ,who call nowadays
themselves Catholics fail to follow ‘their’ religion. Kierkegard
wrote 2 great books on the topic “Training in Christianity” and
“Attack upon Christedom”.
http://www.amazon.com/Kierkegaards-Attack-Upon-Christendom-1854-1855/dp/0691019509
I recommend reading it. But especially there is one great , short
essay written by Kierkegaard ” On the difference between a genius and
an apostle..” excellent read. Another one is his “Present age” , but for different reasons.
I know he was a protestant but his books are amazings. Tough read but
well worth it.
Another very interesting book is “Life of Christ” by F. Sheen .
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/169017-life-of-christ
watch , please, also these short videos.
1. ‘..Was Jesus a Jew?
Not in the current sense, as this excellent video from Most Holy
Family Monastery spells out. Many weak-minded Evangelical types like
to say, “Jesus was a Jew!” Implying that today’s Jews are the lineal
descendents of the ancient Israelites and thus related to Jesus. But,
with the passage of millenia and the ever-shifting sands of language,
“Jew” today doesn’t mean what it once meant.
Today’s Jews: Liberal, Orthodox, Conservative, Ultra-conservative and
everything in between, are all enrolled in the same, Talmudic
“Synagogue of Satan” – a counterfeit scheme cooked up by the rabbis
some 2,000 years ago. ….”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6A2HQNeO104#t=4
http://citizenfitz09.blogspot.com/2012/12/was-jesus-jew.html
2. “Abraham: Faith, Providence, Prefigurement’ .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdzTFECpKJA
ed note–again, not to belabor the point, although certainly well-researched, nevertheless a lot of mystical mumbo/jumbo that has no practical application or effect on the present situation. It is precisely this kind of floaty, theoretical chatter that has given the Jews the leg up that they have acquired in the world today. When Christendom–in the beginning–should have sat down, studied/considered these people and what makes them tick, which would INEVITABLY bring the discussion around to the backwards, unenlightened ‘religion’ they practiced since the day Abraham started hearing voices in his head telling him to murder his own son, gong all the way forward to the murder of Jesus and His disciples, hence would have begun the diagnosis of Judaism–in all its forms and from alpha to omega, as a form of diabolical psychopathology that must be eradicated from the earth.
As St. Stephen said to his murderers prior being stoned to death ‘was there ever a prophet you did not persecute?’ This is very telling in and of itself, in that
Abraham was not ‘persecuted’
Isaac was not ‘persecuted’
Jacob was not ‘persecuted’
Moses was not ‘persecuted’
David was not ‘persecuted’
Solomon was not ‘persecuted’
etc, etc, etc…
and therefore, by extension, not ‘prophets’.
The Jews love their ‘godfathers’ today as much as they did during the time of Jesus. How many of them spoke up in his defense at his trial? none. Jesus brought something that was antithetical to what Abraham, Moses, David brought them and because of this they considered him a blasphemer and a ‘dreamer of dreams’ who deserved to be killed. It was their Judaism that turned them into ravenous wolves and what keeps them like this today.
Naive people do not see the OT with open mind and the use of a little logic. The real God of the Universe (as we have learned) does not send any one to kill, to destroy his own creation, to rape, to steal etc. The God of the OT was not God, but a monster.
ad 6 reg ed note
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‘…There is only ONE relation to the Revealed Truth: BELIEVING it.”
Soren Kierkegaard
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I will start with a bit heavier artillery then:)
What about Transfiguration??
“… After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the
brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There
he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his
clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before
them MOSES and ELIJAH , TALKING with JESUS …”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2017
What about temptations by Satan in the wildreness?
Jesus corrected Satan by QUOTING from the O.T.
” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'” ( there are
more quotes from the OT in mathhew 4: 4
http://biblehub.com/matthew/4-4.htm
Why He quoted the Old Testament if the OT was not authoritative?
“In fact on 92 occasions Jesus and His apostles supported their
postion by saying “it is written”( or the equivalent) and THEN quoting
the OT.
WHY? Because Jesus and His Apostles consideredd the OT to be the
written WORD OF GOD and thus the ultimate authorrity for life” *
2. In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said: ” I did not come to DESTROY
the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill”.
3.”Jesus affirmed 2 stories from the OT: Noah (Matt.24:37-38) and
Jonah (Matt.12:40). Jesus spoke of those stories as historically
true.” “Jesus also affirmed other aspects of the OT. He taught that
Daniel was a prophet (Matt.24:15) .
He quoted different sections of the book of Isaiah ( eg. Matt. 7:6-7,
Luke 4:17-19) .”
4. ” Jesus corrected the Pharisees and the teachers of the law by
claiming that they should be obeying the OT Scriptures instead of
their own mad-made traditions.
” HE said,” Why do you break the command of God for the sake of your
tradition?…You nullify the word of God for the sake of your
tradition” ( Matt.15:3,6).
He then blasted them for failing to live up to the Scriptures by
quoting from the OT: “You hypocrites! Isaiah was was right when
prophesied about you…(Matt.15:7-9)
Why would Jesus corrected the religious leaders of Israel with the OT
unless the OT had ultimate supremacy over their OWN IDEAS??”
5″ In this quote: “And so upon you will come all the righteous blood
that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the
blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the
temple and the altar. ..” (Matt.23:35)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23
Jesus covered EVERY book in the OT, first to last . Abel was killed
in the FIRST book of the OT, and Zechariah was killed in the LAST
(Chronicles) “.
The above quotes are from the book ” I don’t have enough faith to be
an atheist”. Very good book, worth reading.
http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Have-Enough-Faith-Atheist/dp/1581345615
ed note–sadly, this discussion is winding its way down that infamous alley to nowheresville that inevitably takes place when a debate between common sense and faith go head to head.
‘By their fruits, you shall know them’–the fruits of the Jews–acting in accordance with the writings and examples of their prophets, forefathers, etc, have always been bad, the final nail being the events of Crucifixion Friday, 33.ad. The fact that Jesus may have quoted from the OT in making his case before the jury should not be used a ‘proof’ of His endorsement of what was in it. When I debate with Americans who suffer from an anemic understanding of the kinds of modern day political problems we are experiencing, I will use various parts of the US Constitution to make my point, even though I myself see it as a flawed document (at best) that has been responsible for creating/nurturing the monster residing in Washington DC right now.
At some point, if there is time, thinking people are going to have to choose between faith and fact. I myself am still a follower of Jesus Christ, even moreso now that I understand better the nature of the evil forces against Him then/now. People trying to reconcile the old with the new are doing exactly what JC Himself condemned–pouring new wine into old wineskins, and the disaster He Himself predicted would result from doing so is unfolding before the eyes of the world right now.
ad 8 ed-note:
I also see that the discussion goes nowhere. Even the fact that the
Authority of the Holy, Apostic Catholic Church confirmed and always
taught that the Bible , i.e the Word of God ,consists of the O.T .and
N.T. Period.
a quote from Kierkegaard.
“..What is the Unknown?? ( Kierkegaard called God in his ”
Philosophcial Fragments” the Absolute Paradox, the Uknown, the
Absolute Unlikness).
“It is the limit to which the Reason ( human Reason) repeatedly comes.
It is the Different, Absolutely Different. But because it is
Absolutely Different there is NO mark by which it could be
distinguished. The Reason cannot even conceive an Absolute
Unlikness…”. ” If God is absolutely unlike man, then man is
absolutely unlike God..” —
Ultimately , ALL comes down to faith. The true faith. Whether one has it
or not. Human mind cannot comprehend God. HE is on a completely
different level /plane than we, humans are.
BUT : “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to
this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will
OBEY you…”
http://biblehub.com/luke/17-6.htm
Many saint knew that. That’s why Saint Patric. almost single-handedly
converted pagan , at this time , Ireland. and St Francis Xavier, an
aristocrat , instead of living in richess and fame, took the vows of
chastity and poverty and decided to convert human souls And he did an
amazing job with that. Thousands upon thousand. India, Japan, China.
He, literally “moved the mountains”.
The OT is Jewish and is full of crimes and blood. The new Testament is the word of Jesus. I despite the OT.