Ed-note (Sabba) – Pat Buchanan is asking a very important philosophical question that touches upon the Philosophy of History.
Pat Buchanan does not really say, but what is European civilization, how does one define it? And what is a civilization? What does one exactly mean when referring to ‘Western/European civilization’?
We know that we, as human beings, are mortal. It is the one certainty of Life, despite the fact that most of us live like they are eternal.
Civilizations too are mortal and one doesn’t need to be a philosopher to understand that. We do not even need to travel the world to realize that: we just need to go to a museum to see the rests of ancient, glorious civilizations: Sumer, Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Greece, Rome, pre-columbian Americas etc.
Some of these civilizations have reached a level of technology and science that we are unable to match. Egypt comes to mind naturally but Egypt is not alone: she is just Civilization at its highest, Civilization at its best.
But they are all gone and we see a very clear pattern: a Civilization begins, reaches its peak and then dies but not before leaving room for another one to replace it, which in turn will reach its peak and then die etc.
Europe has had many civilizations which have flourished on its soil. But what comes to mind to everyone outside Europe is Christian Europe. Christian Europe peaked in the XIIth century and left its marks all over the continent with its most emblematic symbol: the Church and anything related (monasteries for example).
That Europe started dying during the Reformation/Renaissance, or rather, she signed her death sentence at that time, when she decided to take the slow judaic poison that would eventually kill her.
The masses may have remained Christians until WWI, but most of the intellectual elite, most of the political elite had turned their back on their Christian roots, starting at the Renaissance.
Once Europe gave up her most powerful shield against the synagogue of Satan, it was only a matter of time before she reaches the abyss, before she reaches the depth of darkness in which she is now. No one forced Europe to, and it was certainly not the Muslims, nor any ‘migrant crisis’ that caused it. Europe chose her path, sealing her fate.
Another thing that comes to mind to everyone outside Europe when talking about ‘European civilization’ is what historians call ‘Modern Western Civilization’. That civilization is what replaced Christian Europe, with technology, science, ‘reason’ (Enlightenment of the XVIIIth century), money as her new God.
Christ (PBUH) was killed again as shown in the work of many artists from the Renaissance onward: Europe had to find a new deity, a new rock on which to stand, something that would allow her to move forward and move the world.
For a time, it looked like she did find it and she did indeed move the world in the nastiest and most bloody way. We are now located at the end of the road she took in the XVIth century. There is no world to move, she can not even move herself except with threats and at the point of a bloody sword.
No civilization can survive without a spirituality. No civilization has ever been created without spirituality. A civilization with spirituality will have her people ready to die for it. A civilization with no spirituality will not find anyone willing to die for her.
Modern western civilization, which is essentially godless, has given the world and her people first, the most extraordinary technological instruments and gadgets and she is constantly creating new ones.
But who, in the ‘West’ is ready to die for their laptops, I-phones, HD plasma TV, cars? No one. Who is ready to die in order to maintain this technological superiority? No one.
One of the best symptom of how deep in the darkness of night has European civilization gone is a church in Barcelona, Spain: La Sagrada Familia. Construction began in 1882 and it is still not finished. Despite our money, our technological advancements, all the means we have, we can not finish it. On the other hand, anyone who would like to open up a shopping mall, a casino, a brothel or a fast food, will see work being completed within 6 months.
Europe, as a Civilization and as she is now, has nothing of value to offer the world and as I said above, technological gadgets are not something anyone will be ready to die for.
Europe is killing her own people (WWI, WWII and soon WWIII) – Europe has gone too far down her suicidal path and like so many Civilizations before, she will die. No one is to blame and if anyone was to be blamed, it would Europe herself.
But the death of a civilization is a ‘natural’ event in the historical process: she is not the first, she will not be the last.
What is tragic in the case of European Civilization is that she is dying in front of our very eyes and in the complete indifference of her own people.
The picture chosen to illustrate this story is to me very emblematic of Western Civilization: we are on the Titanic, it is sinking, we are slowly drowning, but we are way too busy taking selfies of the event and, worst of all, even enjoying watching it sink.
The Titanic is sinking, there is a new titanic ready to take over, which in turn will sink etc. etc. etc.
Very philosophical but correct Sabba but the new titanic has nothing in common with Spirituality more like slavery and an early death from overwork -lack of food-heat-home etc all for Jewish Profit . Long live (not ! ) KIng Nutteryahu ruler of the World .We will be dual passport holders == Jews -First class the rest Third class -give up your seat to a Jew -he is your Master -give your -wife-child to a Jew as you are his slave -doesnt the Tora say so ?
Hear hear, Sabba. My only difficulty is in understanding what you mean by “spirituality”. I’m thinking that maybe you mean a strong benevolent moral code based on compassion or sympathy; that without such a basis, a civilization becomes meaningless and even pointless, hence the “complete indifference” that you refer to.
Thanks.
I partialy disagree, ok Europe is sinking, and it’s fault but a very big part of guilt is due to the damn jewry, the parasite son of satan, the eternal jew corrupted the european soul, now as the great puppets of infamous jewry, along with the evil heinous and murderer satanic USA goverment, all the world hope the fall of the jewry’s damn puppets.
“No one forced Europe to, and it was certainly not the Muslims, nor any ‘migrant crisis’ that caused it. Europe chose her path, sealing her fate.” Yes, but specifically who or what group was most important in choosing her path. If any civilization welcomes in masses of alien immigrants to its country or continent the way Europe is doing it will destroy that country or continent’s culture within 50 years.
You could say Germany and Chancellor Merkel is “choosing her path” but that is not an answer. As one of the most nationalistic countries 70 years ago, a country that sacrificed everything to the bitter end while the most brutal war in history was waged against her, she only surrendered when completely overrun and utterly destroyed. She was fighting for Germany and Germans. Now that same country is gleefully committing genocide against itself and ironically calls any German opposed to the genocide of the Germans a “NAZI.” What happened? I have read a number of articles that give a good answer to what has been happening to Germany and the rest of Europe since the war ended.
The biggest winners of WW II were the Jews and the USA. Every other major country was destroyed or bankrupted, but the Jews emerged more powerful than before the war in every country. They are who put Germany, Europe and all “white” countries on the path to destruction of their peoples. These are the only countries in the world that have been deliberately destroying themselves thru mass immigration since the end of the war (Europe, Canada, Australia and the US). No other countries have done this.
To understand what has happened to all these countries it helps to study the country and people Jews hate the most.
“Its present grotesque multicultural policy of Willkomenskultur (“welcoming culture” toward non-European migrants), openly heralded by Chancellor Angela Merkel and her government, is the direct result of the lost war. Germany’s role of an exemplary host country for millions of non-European migrants has been a major linchpin of its legal system over the last 70 years — and by default for present day Central European countries subject today to floods of non-European migrants.”
“In the aftermath of World War II, the role of Frankfurt School “scholars,” many of whom were of Jewish extraction, was decisive in shaping the new European cultural scene. Scores of American left-leaning psychoanalysts — under the auspices of the Truman government — swarmed over Germany in an attempt to rectify not just the German mind but also to change the brains of all Europeans.”
“As a result of Frankfurt School re-educational efforts in war-ravaged Germany, thousands of book titles from the fields of genetics and anthropology were removed from library shelves and thousands of museum artifacts were, if not destroyed by the preceding Allied fire-bombing, shipped to the USA and the Soviet Union. Particularly severe was the Allied treatment of German teachers and academics, wrote Caspar von Schrenck-Notzing, a prominent postwar conservative German scholar in his book on the post-WWII brainwashing of the German people.”
“From Ethno-Nationalism to National-Masochism”
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/09/the-paranoid-german-mind-counting-down-to-the-next-war/
Jews are the most powerful group in the world. I think on this website, most would agree with that statement.
This is a list of articles on Jews support for multiculturalism (except for Israel and themselves). That is discussed in every one of these articles. I apologize if some of these articles may offend some people, but on the role of Jews there is no other source that nails this as much as this website and it’s writers with high credentials. Every European and American should read all these articles to understand what is happening to their countries. Articles include:
Islamization of Europe a good thing
Beneath the mask of the Human Rights industry: Prominent British Jews Advocate Increases in Refugees
Paul Krugman on the glorious coming demise of White political power
The Jewish hidden hand behind Muslim ethnic antagonism in the UK
Joe Klein: Immigration will save the U.S. from White racism
Lawrence Auster on the Role of Jews in the Dispossession of White, Christian America
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/category/jewish-support-for-multiculturalism/
Jew Harvard Professor Noel Ignatiev on why the white race must be eradicated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90kmUbEv7c
America can’t help Europe. Hell, America can’t help America nowadays. We’re too busy helping the chosen…
Amen, Sabba.
My respect for you Sabba is the highest possible ,but one must remember that Culture is the height of a people ,and ” civilization ” is its leveling ,then decline.
None of the epochs you site are the decline…as Europe at its best was aa blend of the Hellenes/Greco Roman /Nordic/Pagan.
Gibbon believed the injection of ” Christianity ” ,was its decline, and only when the original Platonic /Polis/ Imperium element was rrevived ,so did Europe blending Christ with the foundation .
Christianity was vulnerable to manipulation by the Jews, and that subversion of it allowed Europe to be wrent asunder.
The British Civil war, 3O years ,and Hundred Years War, which deveststed the original European Stock in Central Europe… Half of the German population wiped out,and the Treaty of Westphalia rendering the vigorous Germanic impotent….carriers of the European flame post Rome impotent fur generations .
The Jews injected ” Reformations ” , and subversions only Christianity could be vulnerable too.
Finally they injected Finance Capital,and blessed Usury.
The Left/Right Matrix unveiled .
Marx /Finance Capital has the same fathers ….Rothschild’s.
The Jews where stymied by Napoleon, Bismarck, Hitler, for a time….but there msrch go victory is coming to its final conclusion.
” The best of the Goyim must be killed” as Europeans in the best sense are scene by the Jews as their most powerful enemy….
The philosophical Foundations deadly to them.
This is esoteric in nature….make no mistake about it.
For Europe is the home of the Aryan, Amalek ,Nordic Celtic , and the Gods of Olympus.
The original final Catholic Church its inheritance.
All of this must fall as ” There shall be no other Gods but Yahweh “.
Spirituality in itself has never saved anybody from been destroyed, since all created beings have a spirit, and there are EVIL SPIRITS AS WELL AS GOOD SPIRITS LIKE THE ANGELS THAT GOD CREATED.
The old testament was given to men kind to learn who the creator is, and what men kind can expect from him when is a state of obedience, God did many MIRICALS TO THE HEBREWS TO SHOW THEM HIS POWER AND MIGHT, YET THEY IN THEIR NATURAL REBELION, FAILED MANY TIMES TO OBAY THEIR CREATOR, UNTIL EVEN GOD GOT TIRED OF THEM AND DIVORCE HIMSELF FROM THEM. OVER 490 PRIOR TO THE COMEING OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST WHICH DID FULFILL HIS MISSION OF OBIEDIENCE TILL HIS DEATH. BY SHOWING HUMANITY THE WAY BACK TO OUR CREATOR AS HE BROUGHT US THE GOOD NEWS OF INHERITANCE THAT HAD BEEN DENIED TO THE NON HEBREW SINCE THE BEGININIG OF TIME, EVEN WHEN GOD HIMSELF HAD ALREADY FORTOLD HUMANITY WHAT THE FUTURE WAS GOING TO BE LIKIE ALL EXPRSSED IN THE UNDER THE OLD CONTRACT WITH HUMANITY OR OLD TESTAMENT.
THE NEW TESTAMENT OR NEW CONTRACT FROM GOD TO HUMANITY WAS THAT SALVATION WAS NOW ABAILABLE TO ALL OF HUMANITY AS LONG AS THEY AS INDIVIDUALS WERE WILLING TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND REPENTENCE OF ALL PAST SINS, WITHOUT REPENTANCE THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS, THAT IS WHY THE JEWS ONCE THEY ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOUR THEY STOP BEEN JEWS OR CATHOLICS, OR PROTESTANTS OR WHATEVER MAN MADE RELIGION THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THEY BECOME NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST AND AS NEW CREATURES IN GOD’S FAMILY GOD BEGINS TO TEACH DICIPLINE NOW AS SONS AND DOUGHTERS NOT ANY MORE AS GENTILES, GREEKS OR HEBREWS BUT AS SONS AND DOUGHTERS OF AN INVISIBLE CREATOR.
WE BECOME BELIEVERS THAT IS OUR RELIGION BELIVERS IN GOD’S MESSAGE THAT CHRIST BROUGHT TO US ALL, THE WORLD CALL US CHRISTIANS BUT NOT EVEN THAT WAS A TITLE GIVEN TO US BU GOD NOR CHRIST HIMSELF.
SO WHEN WE TALK SPIRITUALITY IS ONLY THE BELIVE IN GOD THE ONE THAT KEEPS HIS CHILDREN BRANDE3D BY OUR HEAVENLY FATHER. AND HE KNOWS HIS OWN CHILDREN. AS ANY FATHER WOULD. SO WHEN A NATION GETS HIM OUT OF THE PUBLIC ARENA AND BECOMES ASHAMED OF HIM AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST THAT NATION WILL NOT SEE GOD’S BLESSINGS ANY MORE IF ISRAEL OR PALESTINE STOP RECIBEING GODS BLESSINGS AND GOD PERMITED FOR THAT NATION TO BE DESTROYED BY ROME AS AMERICA IS BEEN DESTROYED BY THE SONS AND DOUGHTERS OF SATAN IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LOVE GOD AND CHRIST ANY MORE.
No its because the evil-dirty -stinking -rapist-child molesting -baby killer Jews run the US and UK. Dont try and divert your “searchlight ” which is a friend of the Jews from who is doing this evil in this World -ITS THE JEWS-DID YOU GET THAT ?????? -ITS THE JEWS . You quote Jesus -???? well so will I == BY THEIR ACTIONS SHALL THEY BE KNOWN -the dirty evil Jews trying to destroy this world and enslave the non-Jewish population helped by fundamentalists who worship Jewry . Go home look at yourself in the mirror and see where the blame rally lies -people like you who make apologies for the Jews or divert attention from them -hello friend of Mossad.
I agree with you Duncan, it is the jews who are behind it all. Beautiful Europe, her people have been betrayed by her elite when at the time of the Renaissance/Reformation, when they started drinking from the poisonous judaic chalice. Europe has been betrayed and the only way out of this, in my opinion, is for Europe to go back to her Christian roots, to find again her Christian soul. Otherwise, Europe, as a Civilization, will die. She is moribund now but I am convinced it can be undone. Just as happened with Russia: Russia is where she is now because she has gone back to her roots, she has reconnected with her Christian spiritual soul.
For Europe to go back to ‘Her Christian’ Roots
and PRAY since when was Christianity a European Root??
Christianity’s Roots are from the ARAB Middle East, from their ancestral Holy Land.
the True Christians left who follow the true Church of Christ are indeed the Eastern Orthodox Christians [which includes the original Aramaic Assyrians/Arab Christians] and indeed Russia that is going back to its Christian Traditions which the Western Christians have forfeited and allowed World Judaism to infiltrate and destroy their belief system, contaminating their Bible and religious history and allowing Jews to continue with their unbridled defamation of Christ, [pbuh] and his mother, distorting so many Christian Sects from Protestants, Baptists through to Catholics and Evangelists, al blinded by the Jewish written Old Testament. {Jews have done the same sadly to Muslim Sects too, deviating them from Allah and distorting the Message/Sunnah of Our Prophet. pbuh.]
Christians as a Collective need to return to the true Church of Christ, ancient Christianity, free from Jewish distortions. that have demonised and maligned Christ [pbuh] and his Religious Teachings/Morality
According to Islamic Prophecy, Islamic Eschatology, Islam and Eastern Orthodox Christianity WILL UNITE against the evils of Judaism which as we al know, Christ will return to destroy as prophesied both by Islamic and Christian traditions and Christ will destroy the Jewish Anti Christ and his followers, in DAMASCAS
Return to the True ancient Church of Christ, understand it fully
Steer away from JUDAIC Christianity which is not Christ’s Faith. NOT Christ’s Light, NOT Christ’s Spirituality and NOT the one that teaches us about him being the Saviour, chosen By God, to destroy the Anti Christ, destroy Evil once and for all that has plagued the Family of Man for too long
Sabba #10: So ordinary Europeans are being subjected to a very long conquest by Jews, and have been betrayed by their own elite for a very long time. In practical terms, which of these two enemies is the more important for ordinary Europeans to deal with?
I see the discension even here …the see saw of Christianity.
No I don’t think ” Christianity ” can defeat the Jews.
It opens the door to them.
That faith ,as ALL monotheistic forms is vulnerable to the Jews.
Nor do I agree that ” the Renaissance opened the door to them”.
The Jews despise the Renaissance ,and Barouque.
It was a revival of the Hellenes /Greco Roman /Blend within a Christian framework.
The” Reformation” was the beginning of the end however
It warred upon the ” Pagan” , sans Luther, it was totally Judaic in origin.
Put it does simply.
When one blends Christ with European Foundations its liberation from the Jews ” New Covenant “.
Those platforms include the Greek Philosophers ( Vatican Library ) Neo Platonism, Pagan, Traditions.
The Puritans/Reformation /Fundamentalist, Evangelical / Vatican 2, dismissed all of this for the first Bolshivicks.
Old Testament Christianity ,blending Christ with Yahweh ….He ,and ” Christianity ” became a JEW worship society, and not a spiritual liberation/break from them.
Europe’s needs to return to itself ….its art ,culture, sovereignty .
It’s Polis ,Olympis, Philosophy, Nordic ,Celtic ,Latin.
The soaring beauty of the Hellenes, and power of the tuetonic .
No Judaic constructs ALLOWED.
Has it not been enough ?
Not some constant churning ,and fighting over this form of ” Christianity ” or that.
Please, please will this husk ever stop pulling on us .
The mundane ,little calling for the confused ,and close minded.
Has not war, after religious war been enough ?
Dud it ever stop the blood letting?
No,it cheered it… Ministers in Britain exhorting whole villages of boys to ,” go fight the Pagan Hun”,in WW 1.
Yahweh laughed up his evil sleeve at that.
Those ” Pagans ” where cousins ,Europeans, and fellow ” Christians.”.
The going back to ” Christianity ” is not the solution.
In its Judaic firm,the original cancer .
Alan – “which of those two enemies is the more important for ordinary Europeans to deal with” – simple= those that you vote in -you vote them out therefore the Jews that control them lose their leverage . Deal with the nearest enemy first because that is the one YOU can have control over once out then step-# 1 is over then onto step # 2 getting those you vote in to fight against Jewish control. An easy example Hitler got rid of the political parties that supported the Jews THEN went for the Jews -He got it to work and proved that system. The Jews know that thats why they control your political leaders.
Europe is being invaded. Jews and indoctrinated, self hating traitors are behind the destruction of Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
How it all began – a Jew’s plan proposed in 1940:
http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml
Agreed Duncan. Do you think the SNP will honour their mandate and go full steam ahead for independence? And an independent currency? And no foreign controlled media?
And Organized Usury would be looking for ways to destroy an independent Scotland.
I still think that Scotland is the leading cause for hope in the world right now.
So say I from the other side of that world. What say you, Duncan?
Alan- The first referendum was marred by blatant lies to frighten the Scottish voters from the Westminster government and the 95 % Jewish controlled newspapers in the UK as well as the anti-Scottish BBC Nicola Sturgeon wants to make sure over 50 % of Scots are behind her in this they are as far as Scottish local elections are concerned its just convincing them to believe 100 % in an Independent Scotland with 24/7 anti Scottish rhetoric from all the media. The NATIONAL (its on the web ) is about the only true Scottish newspaper which combats the English/Jewish lies . There are no Jews in the SNP because like Hitlers National Socialist they are for the poor-old of Scots which Jews hate as there is no Jewish profit in it. You can see how much we are hated by the US president telling us to vote no and Spain and many other Western countries doing the same .When you speak out against Jews the whole world of Jewry is against you. There will be another referendum and this time the lies will not be believed and no more will any Jew have any say in the running of Scotland ,even from Westminster . Alan if you are American ,think of the number of countries using the US Dollar nobody says -you cant use it -its only Westminster that says you cant use the UK currency and if they got away with that then we can refuse to pay our share of the National debt and we are talking some billions of $$$$ , we will develop our own currency we had it before the Union of the Crowns and we still have Scottish bank notes now which are the majority currency used in Scotland. Some want to use the euro but if the Jewish TTIP takes over the EU trade then the euro will have no real value just like they have made the US Dollar worthless in real terms. Scottish debt isnt enormous but Jews want us in great debt so they can control us.
Thanks Duncan. Bon voyage, Scotland. Work out your goals. Work resolutely to achieve them. And know that all the threats and provocations will be aimed at seducing you to deviate from your chosen course. Know that the hopes of many ordinary people around the world will be with you all the way – including ordinary English, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, … – everywhere that Organized Usury holds sway.
Many thanks Alan that response made me quite emotional.
The Titanic is taking on water and probably gone past the point of no return, thanks to the Jews who have bled America dry with endless wars against their very long list of mortal enemies in the Middle East. Maybe the next Titanic will be Jew aware, else it will sink, too.
Sheer bullshit! Every argument here is based on the false premise that homosapiens holds some special sort of place in the universal scheme of things; that all else exists BECAUSE of us and FOR us. ….In short:- the message of some subjective, self-indulgent invented ~ and domesticated ~ god. (or even ‘spirituality’) And all without a skerrick of evidence provided.
On the other hand there’s a great deal of pragmatic evidence that the vaunted ‘human civilisation’ is no more than a simple tool which evolved in the ordinary course of natural selection which similarly applies to EVERYTHING that’s ever existed. We’re the most cold-blooded brutally bloodthirsty creature to ever evolve, and ‘civilisation’ was selected by evolution as our best chance
of avoiding self-inflicted extinction. Weight is given to the argument by the demonstrable history of ‘civilisation’ itself. eg. The greater our capacity to kill multitudes ~ and particularly at long range ~ the more the course of ‘civilisation’ expanded: and the greater the murderous enforcement of
‘civilised’ laws. And, also demonstrably, such enforcement is an absolute perversion of the ‘Natural Order’ which has delivered us to the present. (Israel ~ both the State and the concept ~ is a perfect example of that proposition.)
The fact is that we have no more significance in the scheme of things than a wombat or a blackberry bush ~ and that when extinction overtakes us we’ll be less missed than a bucketful of krill, because NOTHING depends upon our existence for food.
(Steven Hawking thinks homosaps will be extinct within 1000 years ~ and I think Hawking is an optimist.
The Titanic may well go down and sooner rather than later; but in the big scheme of things our passing will have less impact than has the pile of metal at the bottom of some unknown ocean.
THE FIRST PRIORITY IN DEALING WITH AN(Y) ENEMY LIES IN ACCURATELY IDENTIFYING HIM. Without such an assessment you’re like a blind man with no arms in a boxing ring with Cassius Clay.
I suggest people everywhere and anytime detest the jews more than anything else for their ‘survivability’ than anything else. Their efforts to achieve that is in no whit different from any other ‘nation’s efforts except for the jews’ determination and coherence. On that score ~ applicably ~ they put all others in the shade, and THAT’S why they’re universally hated ~ throughout their history. What have the jews done that every other ‘civilisation hasn’t? Murder pillage rape theft, the invention of a ‘false god’ to justify their predations, etc. etc. etc….
Let ANYONE here name ONE SINGLE ‘CIVILISATION’ or ‘culture’ that hasn’t done the same!
A single one in all of history. I challenge you!
In short people everywhere and for millennia have hated the jews NOT for what they’ve done, but because they’ve been more successful than anyone else has in doing it.
See the following post for a different perspective.
You are not alone in that point of view Jackson but the question I have got to ask is — if you have no belief in a “Higher Being ” of any sort you must hold to the opinion we have no souls/spirit . You therefore believe that once we die thats it –zero/ blackness / no “me” that is a type of Nihilist point of view it puts us on this planet as a means of breeding and “improving ” our DNA . Taking that philosophy then there is no point being “good ” for there is no reward or if bad no suffering for the evil that you do .You as a living entity learn nothing as your entity ceases on your death , that is not logical , as you would have no reason to learn to be a better person other than being jailed . No , we are here to learn even if it is hard and painful, to be better people so that we “progress ” spiritually from incarnation to incarnation till we reach “One ” with the Higher Spirit ” Its just like being born and learning to live in this world by going to school , we progress , what we learn is with us forever because we strive for it therefore we change as does this world and Universe round about us . This is only a physical incarnation that helps us learn –as above –so below.
Lucy – I cannot give you a country that hasn’t at one time in history not gone to war to defend itself or impose its will on other nations but if you are talking about a culture then the nearest to perfection on this earth has been the Zoroastrians of which they give out pure Love ( in the spiritual sense ) to others . It is no mystery that those in that country ( Persia/ Iran ) brought much wisdom to the entire world that man has learned by and its also no mystery that the West hates Iran because as their spiritual leader said – they are an ancient nation with much wisdom fighting against those with a more narrow, constricted , materialistic view of how the world should be run (childlike ) .