ed note–yes, yes, we know–it’s all ‘an act’ meant to convince people that a real turf war is taking place between powerfully-entrenched elements with a divergence of interests when in fact, it’s ‘dJooz’ controlling the whole deal.

Seriously folks (and particularly those of you who accept the notion that JFK was assassinated because as president he was moving against Judea Inc, both in his insistence that Israel not attain nuclear weapons capacity, but as well in his maneuvering to defang the nascent Israel lobby in America known as the American Zionist Council, forerunner to AIPAC, by forcing it to register as an agent of a foreign power) how much more of this has to take place on a daily basis before common sense and reason overcome the popular (yet baseless) assertion that Trump is ‘bought and paid for’ and as such that he fully intends to give Djooz everything they want, including WWIII?

Sometimes that old Middle Eastern dictum vis ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ is not just a viable protocol to adopt and with which to move forward as pertains a particular political position, but indeed, the ONLY one, and even though Trump may not be an ‘enemy’ of the Jews, per se, the fact that he at least intends to put a muzzle around the mouth of the mangy mutt known as the Jewish state and bring an end to all the murder and mayhem (at least as far as it involves direct US participation) is or at least should be to those with a keen eye towards living a welcome change of season to what has been the very turbulent, stormy and dangerous weather that began on the morning of 9/11/2001.

foxnews.com

President Trump is looking into revoking the security clearances of several top Obama-era intelligence and law enforcement officials, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Monday, accusing them of having “politicized” or “monetized” their public service.

She made the announcement at Monday’s press briefing, after Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., called on the president to specifically revoke Trump critic and former CIA Director John Brennan’s clearance.

In an interview with Fox News’ “The Story” Monday night, Paul told host Martha MacCallum that Brennan “should not get anywhere within 10,000 yards of the government. He should have a restraining order.”

“John Brennan leaked information that almost cost the life of a double agent. … He should have been fired for that. But he wasn’t fired by President Obama because I think he was a partisan,” Paul said. “But now he’s a talking head on the outside, saying that basically President Trump should be executed – that’s what we do for treason. And so, yeah, I’m very concerned about him having privileges because of his past history.”

Paul added that he would go “one step beyond” the White House and remove top-secret clearances from all retired CIA agents and officers “of any stripe.”

Sanders said Trump is also looking into the clearances for other former officials and Trump critics, including former FBI Director James Comey; former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe; former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper; former National Security Adviser Susan Rice and former CIA Director Michael Hayden (who also worked under President George W. Bush).

Sanders said Trump is “exploring mechanisms” to remove the security clearances “because [the former officials] politicized and in some cases actually monetized their public service and their security clearances in making baseless accusations of improper contact with Russia.”

Sanders added that their clearances effectively give “inappropriate legitimacy to accusations with zero evidence.”

“When you have the highest level of security clearance … when you have the nation’s secrets at hand, and go out and make false [statements], the president feels that’s something to be very concerned with,” Sanders said.

“Nope,” he responded. There’s nothing for POTUS to revoke. Comey says he was “read out” when he left government as per normal practice. 1/2

However, McCabe spokesperson Melissa Schwartz said his security clearance had already been deactivated when he was fired.

“Andrew McCabe’s security clearance was deactivated when he was terminated, according to what we were told was FBI policy. You would think the White House would check with the FBI before trying to throw shiny objects to the press corps…,” Schwartz tweeted Monday.

Benjamin Wittes, a friend of Comey’s, tweeted Monday afternoon that he texted the former FBI director, who told him he doesn’t have a security clearance to revoke. However, clearances can remain automatically “active” for several years after an official departs government service.

The Justice Department Office of the Inspector General declined to comment on Wittes’ claims.

When asked whether former President Barack Obama and former Vice President Joe Biden might have their security clearances revoked, Sanders said she did not have any further information.

The topic came into the spotlight Monday morning, with Paul’s tweets against the former CIA director.

“Is John Brennan monetizing his security clearance? Is John Brennan making millions of dollars divulging secrets to the mainstream media with his attacks on @realDonaldTrump?” Paul tweeted early Monday.

Brennan joined NBC News and MSNBC in February as a contributor and senior national security and intelligence analyst.

Late Monday, Nick Shapiro, a former CIA Deputy Chief of Staff under Brennan, said: “John Brennan hasn’t made one penny off of his clearance. Not one thing he has done for remuneration since leaving the government has been contingent on him having a security clearance.

“One doesn’t need a security clearance to speak out against the failings of Trump,” Shapiro added. “This is a political attack on career national security officials who have honorably served their country for decades under both [Republicans] & [Democrats] in an effort to distract from [Special Counsel Robert] Mueller’s investigation.”

Congressional Republicans are pushing for Brennan to testify on Capitol Hill regarding the investigation into Russian meddling and potential collusion with Trump campaign associates in the 2016 presidential election.

The former CIA director has been a consistent and harsh critic of the president, blasting his performance with Putin in Helsinki as “nothing short of treasonous.”

But Brennan is not the only former intelligence official to take to the media world. In April, Comey began a media blitz promoting his new memoir, “A Higher Loyalty,” while Hayden and Rice also frequently make media appearances.

On Twitter, just minutes after the announcement from the White House briefing, Hayden responded in a tweet to several journalists that a loss of security clearance would not have an “effect” on him.

“I don’t go back for classified briefings. Won’t have any effect on what I say or write,” Hayden tweeted.

17 thoughts on “Trump looking into revoking security clearances for Brennan and other top Obama officials”
  1. You need a proper perspective of things
    JFK was assassinated PRIMARILY because he intended to bust up the all-pervading DEBT SYSTEM imposed by the elite jewish banking cabal running this whole scam. Trump knows this, and doesn’t want to follow in JFK’s footsteps the entire way so he rationalizes everything in accepting some ameliorated version of a NWO as the STATIST he is, bottom line. There’s no getting around this, nor with Putin.
    It isn’t that he is “bought and paid for” by “da jooz”, but that they are “steering” him in doing their bidding which DOESN’T include a WW3. This would be the doing of the mad dog bolshevik/neocon element of jewry who are used by the elites at the top to do the dirty work, as evidenced by what happened in 1917 Russia. This usage is a continuation stemming back to their Khazarian ancestors who were defeated by the ancient Rus 1,000 or so years ago. Classic jew m.o. That element is reined in at other times such as now in a furtherance of the agenda
    How do I know all this you may ask? Consider me like Orwell, an insider who came out…or IN, however you may view it.

    ed note–with all due respect, I think my ‘perspective’ on this–in lieu of hitting the bullseye, nevertheless–is at least close, and–again, with all due respect–if you were indeed as much an ‘insider’ as you intimate, you would know full well the primary role that Israel’s nukes and the pressure on the part of the Kennedy brothers to force the provisions of FARA on the AZC played in the assassination of both of them. Furthermore, the ‘fiat’ money business you reference was also deconstructed in terms of its un-importance by the very same investigative journalist who was the very first to ‘crack the code’ of Israel’s involvement with the Kennedy deaths and the reasons for them, Mike Piper, whom I knew very well and with whom I worked very close for close to 10 years.

  2. Yes, FARA and AZC were certainly factors, and you should say ALLEGED nukes. That represents a HUGE canard. As for your “deconstruction” reference you may want to say “re-crafted” instead…with all due respect of course

    ed note– ‘ALLEGED’ Nukes?
    You are kidding, correct? This was done tongue-in-cheek and not meant to be taken literally/seriously, right?

  3. ‘dJooz’ controlling the whole deal
    okay, i admit i am stupid and cannot grasp certain kinds of higher logic, so will one of you “‘dJooz’ controlling the whole deal” experts explain just one thing for me (pat’s theory that the history of the world is based on casino business, every war, everything in fact – just to smooth the way to more casinos for adelson and trump partnership – a bit too rich for me, sorry).
    why this enormously time and money consuming charade of the deep state fighting trump tooth and nail, the mueller inquest, allowing syria and north korea to avoid destruction in total defiance of the yinon plan, iraq resurgent and anti-israel again, run by the pro-iranian shia, jews suddenly averse to the wartime genocide of the goyim, by goyim, for jew’s benefit – yeah right, another historical first, s-300 systems sprouting all over middle east, denying jew air superiority, turkey bolting nato and joining russia-iran-china axis, the destruction of globalist nwo strongholds like wto, nato, imf, swift, european union, evisceration of the petrodollar (the basis of rothschild’s global empire since 1974), the avoidance of shooting war with russia … and on and on, tell me how this is all jew-directed for jew’s benefit, in order to fight who? a handful of clueless conspiracists who caught onto some totally pointless jew scam? like shooting noseeums with a high powered sniper rifle.
    to me it just shows what the monsanto diet did to wide swaths of american society, eat gmo steak x3/day, end up bovine-minded to buy into bullshit like this.
    for an idea of what jew does when he is in total, unopposed power, consider post 1917 russia, i.e., the soviet union, the red terror and gulag which wiped out upwards of 60 million goyim.
    that’s jew for you, not pussyfooting with ‘fake” congressional hearings because they are deathly scared of a dozen tail-chasers who think they stumbled onto the “truth” that jews control every side of every conceivable argument, including putin, trump, xi, kim, dutarte, assad and the iranian shias … the only credible opposition in the world left are 9-10 conspiracy tinfoil hat headcases.
    you think the american citizens can and will mount a credible revolt in case of a shootout?
    take a look at the boston lockdown in the aftermath of the marathon joke, it was a test of what might conceivably happen, how much resistance to expect.
    residents were told to stay indoors and they did, to the man.
    they were told to pull on the drapes and never look out on the street and they did, to the man, meekly and without complaint.
    this is your boston tea party, 2018, yeah, jew shitting himself with fear against such patriot heroes.
    because you know, trump is their boy as is putin and the rest of the world.
    thanks for the explanation.

  4. Yeah I said it, ALLEGED nukes. No joke. A canard that freezes all the players in place. And you find that farfetched? Why? Do you have access to their alleged facilities?…. Didn’t think so. And THAT’S supposed to be “illogical”?
    Lobro, it’s like I said. Your logic is based on
    premises that reflect Bierce’s observation that the art of thinking and reasoning acts in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human understanding. You WANT to believe you can “trump” the protocols (pardon the pun). Therein lies the rub – HUMAN understanding
    P.S. I miss you over at darkmoon but am glad to be addressing you here. (: >)

    ed note–if this is where your mind is at just, based solely on the nuke issue alone, then the question marks surrounding everything else are eliminated.
    The Jews–knowing the kinds of stakes that are involved in this entire ‘Judea Resurecta’ project–would never leverage such a venture on a mere ‘canard’. They would never point what was merely a water gun at someone they intended to rob, nor would they go to a gun fight with no bullets to shoot. They have the nukes, sure as hellfire–no pun intended–and it is this that they are using in blackmailing the leaders of the West (and the world) into giving them every damned thing they demand. As I said previously, if there are the intellectual waters in which you are wading then it is no wonder that you entertain some of the other notions that you have espoused.

  5. For you to conclude that I intimated the “nuke canard” to be the sole factor in effecting the entire ‘Judea resurectus’ shows a misapprehension of the depths of intellectual waters. Not to mention that which flies in the face of logic by presuming that the actions as illustrated in lobro’s post MUST indicate the attempt to thwart the agenda bu that Trump may THINK he is doing, but the logic, again reflects the limitations in human understanding that is superseded by hidden forces that know the human mind in ways that enables them to get us to rationalize what they want us to thinks.
    It’s those damn protocols, which have had the progress influenced through their application impeded before, but this isn’t what’s happening now, in spite of the spiritual undercurrent running parallel to the progress made by the red shield agenda. It’s slowing it down as time speeds up, which again reflects human limitations in the sense of not understanding the ‘spiritual war’ component in all of this

  6. I forgot to add, for lobro, “…Trump may THINK his actions would work in thwarting the agenda in hopes that while Latin in the weeds hoping for the cavalry to arrive and finish the job, then the cavalry is just as duped as he is (think Herr Hitler)

  7. well
    there are those krytron triggers smuggled out by milchan and co.
    of course not evidence for use in nuke weapons.
    could be for yid copiers
    such purpose (copiers) would require intel agencies and smuggling and traitors
    well
    milchan is hollywood/weinswinewood

  8. meant to ask before sidetracked
    why are the security clearances for these old useless sewer rats
    good for anything above a greasy diner’s menu

  9. bhawk,
    even to my limited capacity for understanding, this is as circular as it gets, in fact a death spiral rapidly diving into zero.
    i pose a problem with “‘dJooz’ controlling the whole deal” scenario and your answer is (quoting bierce out of context, it seems) that i cannot grasp the (never ventured) answer because i am stupid.
    but i started with the assumption that i am stupid and kindly asked for an explanation from whoever among the “‘dJooz’ controlling the whole deal” crew possesses greater capacity for understanding this, to me, peculiar logic, whereby jew suddenly in this instance ditches his entire filthy 3000yr history, so venerated in the torah, mishnah, talmud, of openly slaughtering and brutalizing the vanquished peoples – tell me again why, given the presumably same or greater levels of absolute control over physical reality, he does not apply the bolshevik russia or at least west bank/gaza model to us right now, and goes for cute antifa/femen street protest song and dance ongoing right now? why does he choose this infinitely complex and resource draining rigmarole, requiring thousandsof carefully paid, trained and choreographed actors and millions of unpaid extras, yet also trained and choreographed (in fact, the name says it all, TrainDemocrats.org)?
    THIS IS THE QUESTION I ASKED.
    lobro, you are too limited to understand the answer, therefore i won’t bother trying” is not only circular and begs the further questions of:
    • why can’t i throw this back at you regarding other topics, e.g., nukes, where you seem to have bought into pat’s inane meme, almost designed to discredit us all as demented kooks, namely “you guys are too crazy to discuss nukes with”, and
    • are you placing the jew, specifically nathan rothschild who wrote The Protocols on a supernatural pedestal whereby as told in talmud, JEW as a single mass is now G-d and yhwh, able to create reality for the subjugated goyim as He sees fit and you, pat and the rest of yooze are now blindly prostrating yourselves before this deity, unquestioningly acknowledging whatever the hell JEW wants you to acknowledge?
    recall rabbi harry watton’s observation:

    “the only immortality there is for the Jew is the immortality in the Jewish people.”

    is this your God, bhawk? because it ain’t mine, i guss i am too stupid to acknowledge it and more than ready to fight it, even if it is the only reason for my existence.
    • at any rate, assuming that i understood you right and we are so way below jew in terms of capacity to understand his manipulation of our reality, what’s the point of discussing anything at all?
    let’s just wait for pat to deliver whatever insights he does from on high, no matter how crazy they seem – “gods must be crazy” said the pygmy in that movie and what are we but goy pygmies, according to überjew.
    ps: not to add insult to injury because i had long conversations with the internationally famous cuban physician, carlos pazos, the foremost specialist on radiation poisoning and writer of medical texts on that subject, who told me of horrific injuries suffered by the survivors of nagasaki and hiroshima, whom he treated in early ’60ies at the st. petersburg (leningrad) kirov institute as part of his advanced military medical training (he was the chief medical officer of the cuban army at the time, personally appointed by castro and was there during the missile crisis when they received a personal letter from fidel, bidding them potential farewells).
    so, if i accept pat’s thesis, i will have to call dr. pazos a liar the next time i see him.

  10. bhawk,
    i am trying again, because you are my friend and because i consider you the most thoughtful from among that to me, incomprehensible bunch over there.
    now, by “incomprehensible”, i am not using it in a pejorative sense, i have no problem with the starting premise that it is i, lobro, who am mentally deficient compared to every single one of the “‘dJooz’ controlling the whole deal” contingent (let’s temporarily bust it down to an acronym, JCWD).
    and i am asking you to help me, pull me out of the sewer of my ignorance – hopefully you won’t catch my contagion and switch sides in the end 😉
    what i need is most of all, is a CUI BONO scheme, okay, so let’s start like a coder would break down a computer programming problem, a decision diagram – i want you to give me your direction at every step, with a simple “Y/N” answer (Y/N as in YINON, what would oded yinon do).
    you say that there is a fundamental conflict in the ranks of jewry and that trump vs. deepstate, dems,the globalists reflects this as a mere pawn for the other side of the temple $ changers coin.
    alright.
    • when did this rift occur in history and *imprtantly*, how was it reflected in the setback to the ancient plan of satanic conquest? [gimme a timestamp, bhawk, e.g., “after the bretton woods and the failure of ww2 to kill more than 100 million goyim“, and show me how this disunity among jews has hindred their world conquest and how their current status is in fact a failure of the original diabolical scheme],
    • are jews the shock troops of satan, as observed by so many, including Jesus? Y/N bhawk.
    • if Y, why would satan give them conflicting and confusing instructions, do you think the Lightbringer is stupid? a quick Y/N again.
    the catholic theology holds that as the formerly prime angel, his intelligence is the brightest (“luci-fer”/lightbringer to the freemasons/illuminati and judaism) in the universe.
    • if N (to the 1st bullet), shouldn’t we identify the jew faction opposed to satan and join forces with them? knowing the inside machinery, they’d be as great or greater help than the jew who escaped the work camp and reassembled the famed german Enigma encryptor and significantly shifted the course of world war II.
    • surely you are aware that they consider us gentiles nothing more than cattle, created to serve them in their parasitical sloth, giving them time to conceive further nefarious ideas and concepts.
    in which case, what’s wrong with the analogy to the real cattle, you as injun would appreciate: a bunch of cowherds are driving thousands of heads of goyim cattle across the great plains toward the ultimate rendering plant.
    of course, the cowboys don’t tell the cattle that they are running them to slaughter.
    do cowboys operate in factions or in perfect coordination to achieve the common goal?
    do cowboys talk nice to the cattle, entertain them by the campfire, sing “the yellow rose of texas” to cows, try to intellectualize shit, put on puppet shows, the Orange Clown™ puppet stuck on the right hand vs. Soros puppet on the left because this somehow improves the outcome, tomorrow the cows will be running faster, with greater zeal, their meat will taste better?
    what do you think bhawk, if this is a bad analogy, explain to me where it went wrong, are we not the cattle, are jews not the cowherds within our framework and lobro is just a dumb steer, duh-not-understand-nuthin, no point telling him anything?
    so c’mon buddy, spread some enlightenment for me … feel free to cast a lifeline to others in your group of likewise thinkers, maybe they come up with something that actually makes sense to me.

  11. The problem with making sense to you, ol buddy, goes directly to your saying I used the Bierce reference outta context. I don’t see how when the limits of our understanding are there for the reason that the info that would clearly PROVIDE the understanding is hidden from our view. Once you have it, it becomes a no-brainer that even dummies like me can figure out. It has nothing to do with application of logic and everything to do with knowing what is kept from the “goyums”. it’s in the protocols, but I only lined everything up THERE because the information is NOT hidden from me. There’s a few of us out there who know, but it COULD be dangerous to some to reveal it, under certain circumstances that would compromise one of (((their))) specific operations in fulfilling their agenda. I don’t pose such a threat because I am only in a position to speak of things in generalities
    It’s like when you go into a grocery store lookin for some delicious monsanto-laced delicacy and you come to the right section of the store and are lookin straight at it but don’t see it. Why? Hidden info, of which as you know I’ve been writing about for years(I wish they could dig my stuff up in the darkmoon archives that reflect so much of it). For the latest “installment” read my reply to John Kirby in lasha’s satirical article thread and one to Freya in Shamir’s article, among other ones as I recall.It’s all in the jew HIERARCHY.
    I’ll address some of your points in no particular order:
    1) Rothschild is a hybrid, therefore not an author of the protocols, nor are his ancestors (see the Freya reply)
    2) The “fundamental” conflict involves the internecine rivalry of non-human “brothers” whose machinations use human beings as pawns, with a “NWO” being a common goal (I know I know, those aliens again. Well, what can I tell ya except to get used to this “meme”. The longer we’re around this blighted planet, the more likely your chances of encountering one)
    3) The current status of the satanic conquest scheme is only slowed down, not “monkey-wrenched” as when the American Bill of Rights was instituted (contrary to what our buddy Pat says) The hindrance involves positioning for when the economic “quadrants” are put in place (or whatever circular arc you would use). A “dividing the spoils” kinda thing
    4) Jews (excluding the all-human ones) are the shock troops – Y
    5) False-light bringer stupid – N. Has no issue with the rivaling brothers
    6)The German military codes were handed over by traitors in the Abwehr, whoever they were. Probably given an offer they couldn’t refuse. There was no escapee decoder to my knowledge. The human jews don’t know any more than the vast number of goys (For that matter, they can be defined as “goy” themselves)
    7) Oh, we’re the cattle all right. But the herders don’t necessarily KNOW that’s what they are. It gets back to the hierarchal set-up that runs the whole thing. C’mon your knowledge of the protocols should be tellin you THAT.
    8) the cui bono scheme honoring the satanic master by the hybrids and pure reptilians works from the very top and reflects their slavish servitude to him, and to answer the ULTIMATE cui bono, it is only the one – the father of lies whose generous offer Jesus turned down – the Demiurge, master of the Universe, purveyor of this “virtual reality” (guess I opened a mathematical can o’ worms THERE!)
    Look, I know perfectly well that taking this all in as “gospel” requires a leap of faith…therein lies the rub
    P.S. I’m serious about accessing those archives. It would help me organize the reams of material I’ve amassed over the years. We’ll see

  12. well, bhawk, your answer to my questions, all of which based on logic of clearly visible events and outcomes, is that you are privy to esoteric information denied me.
    so we are at some kind of stalemate, essentially saying that yes, judging by the information available to me and the wider public, the reality is A but incorporating this privileged information accessible to you, the situation is actually B.
    so let’s leave it at that.
    but as for the nuke existence, which you, through pat, reject, i’d like to hear some judgment on my cuban physician friend, carlos pazos, who not only claims to have spent couple of years treating the injuries of the japanese victims of radioactive burns in soviet union but also showed me photographs of his patients, tell me this: is dr.pazos a liar?
    and if so, why, what’s his gain in manufacturing such a fib, as profitless as outlandish?
    and also … why were the otherwise untouchable jews, julius and ethel rosenberg executed on electric chair, witnessed by numerous observers?

  13. lobro
    If you accept the “B”, which shouldn’t necessarily be considered “esoteric” if you are truly grasping the protocols which BY INTENT serve to obfuscate the truth, and which through intuitionism can be ascertained without empirical proof but by circumstantial evidence that COULD “convict”, the following scenario shows how the execution of Ethel and Julius SHOULD be gleaned by you.
    Per “B” perception:
    jew = shock TROOPS
    elite jew = their GENERAL
    I see the Samson Option as being an illusive “sword of damocles”, and would characterize the threat posed by nuclear weaponry that way in general. That Russia and the U.S. are in possession of massive stockpiles of these armaments is a myth, around which essentially all geo-political activity pivots. Saying this isn’t to suggest that nuclear weapons don’t exist at ALL, only that starting with Hiroshima and Nagasaki their usage is primarily intended to show the world their devastating power for the purpose of effecting the aforementioned “pivot”.
    The elite element of jewry is responsible for this, but the Khazarian outpost known as Israel cannot be trusted with possessing them out of concern for rogue elements spoiling the greater globalist agenda. I suspect that Netanyahoo knows this (being a “reasonable” mad dog, hence his premiership). This protects Israel, whose founding wasn’t for the purpose of expanding jewish power through a “Greater Israel” plan. This is a feint, of sorts, in the sense that the Khazarian/Bolshevik/Neocon jews are being controlled by the jewry elites whose aim is for RUSSIA to finally realize “it’s”, which is really (((their))) Ottoman dream.
    To further confuse matters, this doesn’t mean that Putin is in on the scheme as one who knows all there is to know. He’s being played like everyone ELSE, especially as seen within a context of national leadership, which is where all the history-altering action is.
    It’s not all bad news, however. In Russia today there is a Christian resurgence going on, which although not fully embodying the principles of Christ due to judaic lies imposed upon it, nonethe less signifies planting the seeds of a spiritual awakening that ameliorates a NWO for however long it lasts before dissipating altogether.
    ****************************************************************************************************************************
    With all due respect to Mr. Glenn (and I mean that in sincerity), the commentariat here is too much of an afterthought due to the nature of his site. Whereas on darkmoon it sometimes becomes an article unto itself, or at least it used to. Having said that, I entreaty my great friend lobro to return there so that we may spice up a commentariat which has become drudging. Fuhget about the “Trump derangement syndrome” content which only causes unnecessary reactionaryism that leads to nothing constructive in contributing to a proper understanding of what we’re all engaged in on these sites. You still have much to offer.
    Sometime today or tomorrow I plan to post a “comment” (“thought” is a much better word) on darkmoon that could get the ball rollin’ again
    Until then….

  14. I forgot to add that my next post on darkmoon will be on the Shamir Helsinki article thread

  15. Mark, did I just lose by mistake the long post prior to the previous one-sentence one above that I THOUGHT was posted?

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